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> Subreddits are not moderated by reddit employees, only by the people who founded the subreddit and whoever they choose to moderate the subreddit with them Th

by lowboy 13y ago

> Subreddits are not moderated by reddit employees, only by the people who founded the subreddit and whoever they choose to moderate the subreddit with them That's still moderation - the article didn't say that the moderation was from admins or reddit staff. Also, there are reddit-wide rules[0] that apply regardless of sub. Also, r/atheism isn't a hate group. There's plenty of asshats and the occasional hateful post, but it's not a hate group in general. Take a look at the sub[1] on any given day, and most of it isn't hateful [0]: http://www.reddit.com/rules/ http://www.reddit.com/rules/ [1]: http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/ http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/

DanHulton 13y ago
There are days where it comes pretty close, and it's pretty embarrassing to share any kind identity with them. As a kind of olive branch though, let's just say "hate groups like r/mensrights".
- lowboy 13y ago
  Yeah, I would never identify as an "r/atheist".
zalzane 13y ago
As far as I'm concerned, letting a bunch of people you don't know moderate the pages that constitute the face of your website is as bad as no moderation at all. Just because there's an implicit agreement that subreddit moderators need to obey reddit's rules doesn't mean they have to. If someone does something like posting someone's personal information, the little report button on their post goes to the moderators, who the site admins have trust to actually delete infringing posts. If someone posts something bad and the moderator is half assed or doesn't care, there's no way to get that post removed unless one of the admins stumble upon it or if you were to send the admins a message (I dunno if this would even be reliable).
- ISL 13y ago
  What does it mean to know someone?
- lowboy 13y ago
  Well, that's as far as you're concerned and you're entitled to your unsubstantiated opinion. From what I've seen, the mods do an excellent job of upholding the rules. The mods for the major subs (ie. the "face" of reddit) all get rid of personal info very quickly to the point that I've never seen it. Mods put in a lot of work, without which reddit would be worse off.
- mtowle 13y ago
  I just can't see how anyone can possibly take that perspective. Do you mostly frequent the mega subreddits? I mean, r/politics is probably unmoderate-able by literally any method. But the small subs are often very well-run. People who take a niche interest have an inherent respect for others of the same persuasion and desire their respect in return, which leads to very even-handed moderating in most places. Examples to the contrary (like the whole r/starcraft vs r/starcraft2 thing are few and far between). I say all this as a guy who doesn't even visit the site anymore. Haven't logged in in months.
err_badprocrast 13y ago
OK, easy example. Top item right now on r/atheism (only sample taken, you couldn't pay me to visit that subreddit): http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1e0vcv/if_there_is_a_god_words_carved_into_the_cell_wall/ http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1e0vcv/if_there_is_... A few comments down (above the fold on even a tiny monitor) we have this exchange: Poster talking about his Holocaust-surviving grandfather (32 upvotes): "My grandfather became a believer, but he didn't go all orthodox. He just believed. His reasoning was that if it weren't for god - he would have died many times during the war." The reply, with 100 upvotes: "Explanations like that are precisely what makes me hate religion. When people tell themselves these things, they betray an inner conviction that they are somehow better and more special than the countless men women and children who died at the hands of the Nazis. Makes me sick when people say things like that." Link to comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1e0vcv/if_there_is_a_god_words_carved_into_the_cell_wall/c9vtodx http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1e0vcv/if_there_is_...
- hackinthebochs 13y ago
  Is that supposed to be evidence of hate group? I don't see it.
- mindcrime 13y ago
  So what's your point exactly? You could argue that that comment is insensitive, maybe even caustic... you could argue that the person who posted it is a bit of an ass probably. But how does any of that support the idea that /r/atheism is a "hate group"?
  - jiggy2011 13y ago
    Circlejerk is probably a better term.
  - err_badprocrast 13y ago
    I agree "hate group" is stronger wording than would be appropriate (at any rate I don't want to quibble over a definition of that term) but I personally dislike intolerance - and I avoid forums[1] where it is considered upvote-worthy rhetoric. There are insensitive and caustic comments everywhere - but when they are promoted through upvotes they discourage participation from affected individuals, breeding an environment where people only feel welcome if they subscribe to the dominant opinions. This results in a hollow echo chamber, which is not a satisfactory equilibrium for any forum trying to encourage healthy discussion. 1. Pre-internet definition of forum.

by lowboy 13y ago

DanHulton 13y ago

There are days where it comes pretty close, and it's pretty embarrassing to share any kind identity with them. As a kind of olive branch though, let's just say "hate groups like r/mensrights".

lowboy 13y ago
Yeah, I would never identify as an "r/atheist".

zalzane 13y ago

As far as I'm concerned, letting a bunch of people you don't know moderate the pages that constitute the face of your website is as bad as no moderation at all. Just because there's an implicit agreement that subreddit moderators need to obey reddit's rules doesn't mean they have to. If someone does something like posting someone's personal information, the little report button on their post goes to the moderators, who the site admins have trust to actually delete infringing posts. If someone posts something bad and the moderator is half assed or doesn't care, there's no way to get that post removed unless one of the admins stumble upon it or if you were to send the admins a message (I dunno if this would even be reliable).

ISL 13y ago
What does it mean to know someone?
lowboy 13y ago
Well, that's as far as you're concerned and you're entitled to your unsubstantiated opinion. From what I've seen, the mods do an excellent job of upholding the rules. The mods for the major subs (ie. the "face" of reddit) all get rid of personal info very quickly to the point that I've never seen it. Mods put in a lot of work, without which reddit would be worse off.
mtowle 13y ago
I just can't see how anyone can possibly take that perspective. Do you mostly frequent the mega subreddits? I mean, r/politics is probably unmoderate-able by literally any method. But the small subs are often very well-run. People who take a niche interest have an inherent respect for others of the same persuasion and desire their respect in return, which leads to very even-handed moderating in most places. Examples to the contrary (like the whole r/starcraft vs r/starcraft2 thing are few and far between). I say all this as a guy who doesn't even visit the site anymore. Haven't logged in in months.

err_badprocrast 13y ago

OK, easy example. Top item right now on r/atheism (only sample taken, you couldn't pay me to visit that subreddit): http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1e0vcv/if_there_is_a_god_words_carved_into_the_cell_wall/ http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1e0vcv/if_there_is_... A few comments down (above the fold on even a tiny monitor) we have this exchange: Poster talking about his Holocaust-surviving grandfather (32 upvotes): "My grandfather became a believer, but he didn't go all orthodox. He just believed. His reasoning was that if it weren't for god - he would have died many times during the war." The reply, with 100 upvotes: "Explanations like that are precisely what makes me hate religion. When people tell themselves these things, they betray an inner conviction that they are somehow better and more special than the countless men women and children who died at the hands of the Nazis. Makes me sick when people say things like that." Link to comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1e0vcv/if_there_is_a_god_words_carved_into_the_cell_wall/c9vtodx http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1e0vcv/if_there_is_...

hackinthebochs 13y ago
Is that supposed to be evidence of hate group? I don't see it.
mindcrime 13y ago
So what's your point exactly? You could argue that that comment is insensitive, maybe even caustic... you could argue that the person who posted it is a bit of an ass probably. But how does any of that support the idea that /r/atheism is a "hate group"?
- jiggy2011 13y ago
  Circlejerk is probably a better term.
- err_badprocrast 13y ago
  I agree "hate group" is stronger wording than would be appropriate (at any rate I don't want to quibble over a definition of that term) but I personally dislike intolerance - and I avoid forums[1] where it is considered upvote-worthy rhetoric. There are insensitive and caustic comments everywhere - but when they are promoted through upvotes they discourage participation from affected individuals, breeding an environment where people only feel welcome if they subscribe to the dominant opinions. This results in a hollow echo chamber, which is not a satisfactory equilibrium for any forum trying to encourage healthy discussion. 1. Pre-internet definition of forum.