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Ruuttu - you got hellbanned because your VERY FIRST comment was unconstructive, mean, and negative. You were trashing somebody's creation. The problem with the

Ruuttu - you got hellbanned because your VERY FIRST comment was unconstructive, mean, and negative. You were trashing somebody's creation. The problem with the world is that people aren't producing enough, not that they're producing too much. You're part of the problem. Your hellban predates and has nothing to do with the more recent comment about a porn site. If you're going to be negative, you will not be welcome here. Read the HN community guidelines and internalize them. P.S. Making bad stuff is the first step towards good stuff. It's a prerequisite - period.

Ruuttu2 13y ago
Hear me out. I fully understand your statement but I feel you may have failed to judge my comment in it's full context. The person who made that calculator wasn't inexperienced. He knew that building a calculator with CSS is objectively a bad idea. He built it anyway just to see how ludicrous it would end up being, for laughs. That's truly the real hacker spirit. In this context my comment stood for "Well done, but you know that was a complete waste of time". Or as one of his friends said on his Google Plus page: "What a crazy hack!" https://plus.google.com/115030581977322198102/posts/Qo6T85W8sFQ https://plus.google.com/115030581977322198102/posts/Qo6T85W8... That's not a putdown. It's in a way a compliment. I would also argue that most users on HN want to get negative feedback but that's a separate issue. I'm really sorry that you criticized me publicly without allowing me to defend myself so I had to create this other account. Sorry about that.
- coolsunglasses 13y ago
  We don't care about intent, we care about conveyed meaning and tone. You're going to be judged on that, not what lives in your noggin. Nobody cares what you think, only what you do and how you make other people feel. I'll let the content of your original comment (which you tactically opted not to include) stand on its own: >Oh my god this is awful. I'm sure I should be impressed but this is just awful. That is not constructive feedback, negative or otherwise. It's just negativity. That's literally all there was. I'm not interested in a debate or what you think. Your behavior was indefensible and that you think you can cover for it with sophistry serves only to embarrass you. Correct the behavior or move on. You're not going to convince anybody of anything.
  - Ruuttu2 13y ago
    Wow. You must have missed the part where I said everything :) Here's a quote from Niklas himself: "there is absolutely no good reason to create a calculator with CSS only, I just did it for the kicks." The project was posted deliberately as a joke and I was commenting on that. The submitter was saying "Look how awfully this can be done LOL" and I responded by appreciating that it was indeed awful. The meaning is clear and it's not a hurtful message just because it includes the word "awful" twice. You must consider the content of the message and not just judge it because a negative word is used. "That is not constructive feedback" you say. You're right, it isn't. And that's fine because the project wasn't posted to receive constructive feedback. The author is never going to touch that project ever again. It's a joke. What am I gonna say, "You might want to increase the contrast of the buttons in your completely-ridiculous-project-you-built-just-for-laughs before you throw it away"? The author doesn't care and nobody cares. I know you're not gonna agree. You've clearly made up your mind already. You've even done what very few sensible people would and admitted it yourself. Whatever. I just want everyone else to understand that I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy.

Ruuttu2 13y ago

Hear me out. I fully understand your statement but I feel you may have failed to judge my comment in it's full context. The person who made that calculator wasn't inexperienced. He knew that building a calculator with CSS is objectively a bad idea. He built it anyway just to see how ludicrous it would end up being, for laughs. That's truly the real hacker spirit. In this context my comment stood for "Well done, but you know that was a complete waste of time". Or as one of his friends said on his Google Plus page: "What a crazy hack!" https://plus.google.com/115030581977322198102/posts/Qo6T85W8sFQ https://plus.google.com/115030581977322198102/posts/Qo6T85W8... That's not a putdown. It's in a way a compliment. I would also argue that most users on HN want to get negative feedback but that's a separate issue. I'm really sorry that you criticized me publicly without allowing me to defend myself so I had to create this other account. Sorry about that.

coolsunglasses 13y ago
We don't care about intent, we care about conveyed meaning and tone. You're going to be judged on that, not what lives in your noggin. Nobody cares what you think, only what you do and how you make other people feel. I'll let the content of your original comment (which you tactically opted not to include) stand on its own: >Oh my god this is awful. I'm sure I should be impressed but this is just awful. That is not constructive feedback, negative or otherwise. It's just negativity. That's literally all there was. I'm not interested in a debate or what you think. Your behavior was indefensible and that you think you can cover for it with sophistry serves only to embarrass you. Correct the behavior or move on. You're not going to convince anybody of anything.
- Ruuttu2 13y ago
  Wow. You must have missed the part where I said everything :) Here's a quote from Niklas himself: "there is absolutely no good reason to create a calculator with CSS only, I just did it for the kicks." The project was posted deliberately as a joke and I was commenting on that. The submitter was saying "Look how awfully this can be done LOL" and I responded by appreciating that it was indeed awful. The meaning is clear and it's not a hurtful message just because it includes the word "awful" twice. You must consider the content of the message and not just judge it because a negative word is used. "That is not constructive feedback" you say. You're right, it isn't. And that's fine because the project wasn't posted to receive constructive feedback. The author is never going to touch that project ever again. It's a joke. What am I gonna say, "You might want to increase the contrast of the buttons in your completely-ridiculous-project-you-built-just-for-laughs before you throw it away"? The author doesn't care and nobody cares. I know you're not gonna agree. You've clearly made up your mind already. You've even done what very few sensible people would and admitted it yourself. Whatever. I just want everyone else to understand that I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy.