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Is this some sort of ad for Codecademy? It seems like it, and not a very good one at that. The sidebar says "Codecademy can teach you the skills you need to g

by jzwinck 13y ago

Is this some sort of ad for Codecademy? It seems like it, and not a very good one at that. The sidebar says "Codecademy can teach you the skills you need to get a solid, well-paying technical job." The article says "And after 800 hours of hard work, Liz has just been hired full-time as an Administrative Coordinator at the University of Washington, where the skills she honed in Codecademy will be central to her success." What? Nothing against dear Liz, but an Administrative Coordinator position probably has very little programming involved. Guessing by the title, it sure doesn't sound like her 800 hours of hard work landed her a "well-paying technical job." It sounds like she's a middle-aged office clerk with a pockmarked resume. Oh, and Liz: please stop applying to companies who have rejected you "hundreds of times before." You're wasting their time and yours.

ericgibbons1 13y ago
So I actually don't work for Codecademy, and Liz's job allows her to support her husband and son. She's not an office clerk, and her job does in fact mostly rest on her technical ability with Java and PHP. They hired her because she was the most skilled person. So ... yeah.
- jiggy2011 13y ago
  You don't work for Codecademy , you were just found the parent comment so compelling you had to sign up a HN account just to reply to it?
  - ericgibbons1 13y ago
    @jiggy2011 I wrote the piece because I legitimately find Codecademy admirable. I've never met the founders, I don't know them in any way. It's just a service that helps people for free that I find to be fantastic. Not sure what's so hard to believe about that.
    - jiggy2011 13y ago
      I'm guessing you haven't met the founders of Venmo , Timbre or any of the other companies you have written gushing articles about either.
      - ericgibbons1 13y ago
        That's correct, though at NY Tech Day I did run into the Venmo people, and they seemed to have liked the press. Have you actually used Venmo? It's fantastic. There's a reason Braintree bought them, I use that app daily.
    - michaelochurch 13y ago
      I have met the Codecademy founders, and I find what they do to be admirable (as you do) and wish them the best. However, I don't think they (or anyone) would argue that coding instruction is sufficient to revive the possibly long-gone "American Dream". It's a small piece of the puzzle. The real problem is that while there's infinite demand for solving problems and making the world better, most people don't get jobs that provide access to that infinite demand. Those jobs only exist if you have savings to go off on your own. Otherwise, you're a subordinate supporting someone else's career, and demand for subordinate labor is going toward zero, due to technology. It's so low that if you're over 40, you're probably priced out of those kinds of jobs unless you're an executive. Most people need to work in those subordinate jobs (to get savings and credibility) before they can create their own jobs, but those subordinate jobs are now being eaten by machines, which are just much better at reliable, cheap subordination than any human. The gap between what the world needs (problem solving) and what people can get steady income to do (subordinate labor) has reached an unacceptable level, and it's now tearing the economy apart and shutting what used to be a bidirectionally reliable labor market down. Providing easy access to coding resources is an admirable step in the right direction, but this is a huge problem and it's not going to be solved by one website. Given that universities with trillions of dollars (as a set) in endowments have failed to solve it, I think that this problem is going to be around for a while.
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- swombat 13y ago
  In 8 paragraphs, you repeat "Codecademy" 13 times... and once more in the sidebar. This would have made, perhaps, a decent article about the benefits of sticking to it and persevering in teaching yourself stuff, but the over-emphasis on Codecademy takes away from it.
jiggy2011 13y ago
Yes, it's an ad. Stuff like this isn't new either, when MCSEs were all the rage in the late 90s/early 2000s TVs were playing ads about garbage collection workers who now earn $100,000 a year as "computer engineers".
adrow 13y ago
It's funny you mention that it sounds like an ad, I was reading it and felt that it was quite similar to my own situation. I just got my first technical job (website integration for an online marketing network) in the last month, previously being in general office administration for 10 years. I've always been technically minded but had never pursued it as anything other than a hobby (running home servers, being family tech support etc...). While I've found Codecademy incredibly frustrating at times (lack of response to feedback and glitchy lessons mainly), it was definitely worth using. I also bought some domains and built a couple of Wordpress sites to try and showcase my skills and interests. I'd spent all of 2012 firing off CV's to try and get into an entry-level IT support role (which I know I could do) and didn't get a single interview. This year I managed to get in touch with a recruiter via a friend in the ad display industry and pretty soon afterwards I was put forward for an interview. That I could demonstrate my websites and willingness to learn outside of work using online courses on my CV was a definite factor. An HTML test was a requirement in the interview, and having no idea how complex it might be, I ran through Codecademy's lessons and covered as much as I could to refresh my knowledge. This was a huge help and I did fine on the test. I was offered the job the same day and one month in I'm loving it. I'm in a fantastic place with a great environment and working with other technically-minded people. I think there's real value in many of these online courses and education sites (I have also played around with RubyMonk and Learn python the hard way), especially for someone like me who went straight into work rather than Uni.
- jiggy2011 13y ago
  How do I flag astroturfer accounts on HN?
  - adrow 13y ago
    I've been lurking for a while but that doesn't mean I'm astroturfing, everything I wrote was genuine.

by jzwinck 13y ago

ericgibbons1 13y ago

So I actually don't work for Codecademy, and Liz's job allows her to support her husband and son. She's not an office clerk, and her job does in fact mostly rest on her technical ability with Java and PHP. They hired her because she was the most skilled person. So ... yeah.

jiggy2011 13y ago
You don't work for Codecademy , you were just found the parent comment so compelling you had to sign up a HN account just to reply to it?
- ericgibbons1 13y ago
  @jiggy2011 I wrote the piece because I legitimately find Codecademy admirable. I've never met the founders, I don't know them in any way. It's just a service that helps people for free that I find to be fantastic. Not sure what's so hard to believe about that.
  - jiggy2011 13y ago
    I'm guessing you haven't met the founders of Venmo , Timbre or any of the other companies you have written gushing articles about either.
    - ericgibbons1 13y ago
      That's correct, though at NY Tech Day I did run into the Venmo people, and they seemed to have liked the press. Have you actually used Venmo? It's fantastic. There's a reason Braintree bought them, I use that app daily.
  - michaelochurch 13y ago
    I have met the Codecademy founders, and I find what they do to be admirable (as you do) and wish them the best. However, I don't think they (or anyone) would argue that coding instruction is sufficient to revive the possibly long-gone "American Dream". It's a small piece of the puzzle. The real problem is that while there's infinite demand for solving problems and making the world better, most people don't get jobs that provide access to that infinite demand. Those jobs only exist if you have savings to go off on your own. Otherwise, you're a subordinate supporting someone else's career, and demand for subordinate labor is going toward zero, due to technology. It's so low that if you're over 40, you're probably priced out of those kinds of jobs unless you're an executive. Most people need to work in those subordinate jobs (to get savings and credibility) before they can create their own jobs, but those subordinate jobs are now being eaten by machines, which are just much better at reliable, cheap subordination than any human. The gap between what the world needs (problem solving) and what people can get steady income to do (subordinate labor) has reached an unacceptable level, and it's now tearing the economy apart and shutting what used to be a bidirectionally reliable labor market down. Providing easy access to coding resources is an admirable step in the right direction, but this is a huge problem and it's not going to be solved by one website. Given that universities with trillions of dollars (as a set) in endowments have failed to solve it, I think that this problem is going to be around for a while.
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swombat 13y ago
In 8 paragraphs, you repeat "Codecademy" 13 times... and once more in the sidebar. This would have made, perhaps, a decent article about the benefits of sticking to it and persevering in teaching yourself stuff, but the over-emphasis on Codecademy takes away from it.

jiggy2011 13y ago

Yes, it's an ad. Stuff like this isn't new either, when MCSEs were all the rage in the late 90s/early 2000s TVs were playing ads about garbage collection workers who now earn $100,000 a year as "computer engineers".

adrow 13y ago

It's funny you mention that it sounds like an ad, I was reading it and felt that it was quite similar to my own situation. I just got my first technical job (website integration for an online marketing network) in the last month, previously being in general office administration for 10 years. I've always been technically minded but had never pursued it as anything other than a hobby (running home servers, being family tech support etc...). While I've found Codecademy incredibly frustrating at times (lack of response to feedback and glitchy lessons mainly), it was definitely worth using. I also bought some domains and built a couple of Wordpress sites to try and showcase my skills and interests. I'd spent all of 2012 firing off CV's to try and get into an entry-level IT support role (which I know I could do) and didn't get a single interview. This year I managed to get in touch with a recruiter via a friend in the ad display industry and pretty soon afterwards I was put forward for an interview. That I could demonstrate my websites and willingness to learn outside of work using online courses on my CV was a definite factor. An HTML test was a requirement in the interview, and having no idea how complex it might be, I ran through Codecademy's lessons and covered as much as I could to refresh my knowledge. This was a huge help and I did fine on the test. I was offered the job the same day and one month in I'm loving it. I'm in a fantastic place with a great environment and working with other technically-minded people. I think there's real value in many of these online courses and education sites (I have also played around with RubyMonk and Learn python the hard way), especially for someone like me who went straight into work rather than Uni.

jiggy2011 13y ago
How do I flag astroturfer accounts on HN?
- adrow 13y ago
  I've been lurking for a while but that doesn't mean I'm astroturfing, everything I wrote was genuine.