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evil-mode[1] is a really well crafted vim emulator for emacs. Not those clunky emulations that barely do hjkl but something that replicates even text objects or

by rgrau 13y ago

evil-mode[1] is a really well crafted vim emulator for emacs. Not those clunky emulations that barely do hjkl but something that replicates even text objects or repeat (.) . This made my migration from vim to emacs possible. [1] http://gitorious.org/evil/pages/Home http://gitorious.org/evil/pages/Home

gnosis 13y ago
After over 20 years of very happily using vim and other vi-clones, I'm in the process of making emacs+evil my main editor. Making the switch is slow and painful for this veteran vim user who has perfected his vim environment, but I can already see that the emacs environment that I build will be superior... eventually. Plus, I get the joy of scripting my editor in elisp and eventually guile (I hope). No more vimscript for me! That said, vim is a wonderful editor. Even if vim ultimately isn't as flexible as emacs, it's still incredibly powerful; and there's a lot of cross-fertilization going on between the two editors, with vim users getting inspired by emacs features and packages and writing vim equivalents and vice-versa.
- eric-hu 13y ago
  I'm thinking of making the switch. Are you able to port your vim plugins to emacs in evil mode?
  - gnosis 13y ago
    I don't know if it's possible to automatically port vim plugins to evil. However, according to the emacswiki page on evil[1], a number of vim plugins have been ported: evil-surround: Port of Vim’s surround script. evil-numbers: Vim-like increment and decrement. evil-leader: Port of Vim’s mapleader. evil-rails: Port of rails.vim. evil-nerd-commenter: Port of Vim’s Nerd-Commenter Also, there are many emacs packages that provide functionality that's more or less equivalent to various vim plugins (sometimes even unenhanced emacs will already be capable of doing what you need). Just a couple of tips for vim fans giving emacs+evil a go: * Don't expect to quickly master emacs or quickly be able to replicate the vim environment you spent years perfecting. Getting emacs set up nicely will take a lot of learning, tweaking and hacking (especially if you want to make it more vim-like). Be prepared for that. * Come to #emacs and #evil-mode on freenode for help. * You might want to go through the emacs tutorial (C-h t) before you install evil or do any other customizations. That'll teach you some basics of emacs that you'll run in to elsewhere, and help minimize confusion. * Search the emacswiki[2] on any topics you're interested in. There's a lot of good stuff there. [1] - http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil [2] - http://www.emacswiki.org http://www.emacswiki.org
    - ics 13y ago
      I use both regularly, but considering the investments involved I would say that I "switched to emacs" and vim is simply there when I need it. I agree with your tips but the one thing I would add is that if you're worried about porting your vim plugins, don't. I use evil and the evil-plugins you listed happily, but beyond those awaits a vast world of emacs plugins from hordes of emacs.d hoarders, ready to eval your kinkiest, textiest dreams. Basically, don't get hung up on plugins. They exist because they don't make up the core of your editor, and if you find yourself liking emacs even a little bit then it is very likely you'll find a suitable replacement for each of those functions.
bjeanes 13y ago
agreed. It's a phenomenally "true" interpretation of Vim. Focusing on the "operator", "motion" and "text object" abstractions and making them composable functions is just sweet. Honestly, I think it's a better approach than how Vim does it...

by rgrau 13y ago

gnosis 13y ago

After over 20 years of very happily using vim and other vi-clones, I'm in the process of making emacs+evil my main editor. Making the switch is slow and painful for this veteran vim user who has perfected his vim environment, but I can already see that the emacs environment that I build will be superior... eventually. Plus, I get the joy of scripting my editor in elisp and eventually guile (I hope). No more vimscript for me! That said, vim is a wonderful editor. Even if vim ultimately isn't as flexible as emacs, it's still incredibly powerful; and there's a lot of cross-fertilization going on between the two editors, with vim users getting inspired by emacs features and packages and writing vim equivalents and vice-versa.

eric-hu 13y ago
I'm thinking of making the switch. Are you able to port your vim plugins to emacs in evil mode?
- gnosis 13y ago
  I don't know if it's possible to automatically port vim plugins to evil. However, according to the emacswiki page on evil[1], a number of vim plugins have been ported: evil-surround: Port of Vim’s surround script. evil-numbers: Vim-like increment and decrement. evil-leader: Port of Vim’s mapleader. evil-rails: Port of rails.vim. evil-nerd-commenter: Port of Vim’s Nerd-Commenter Also, there are many emacs packages that provide functionality that's more or less equivalent to various vim plugins (sometimes even unenhanced emacs will already be capable of doing what you need). Just a couple of tips for vim fans giving emacs+evil a go: * Don't expect to quickly master emacs or quickly be able to replicate the vim environment you spent years perfecting. Getting emacs set up nicely will take a lot of learning, tweaking and hacking (especially if you want to make it more vim-like). Be prepared for that. * Come to #emacs and #evil-mode on freenode for help. * You might want to go through the emacs tutorial (C-h t) before you install evil or do any other customizations. That'll teach you some basics of emacs that you'll run in to elsewhere, and help minimize confusion. * Search the emacswiki[2] on any topics you're interested in. There's a lot of good stuff there. [1] - http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil [2] - http://www.emacswiki.org http://www.emacswiki.org
  - ics 13y ago
    I use both regularly, but considering the investments involved I would say that I "switched to emacs" and vim is simply there when I need it. I agree with your tips but the one thing I would add is that if you're worried about porting your vim plugins, don't. I use evil and the evil-plugins you listed happily, but beyond those awaits a vast world of emacs plugins from hordes of emacs.d hoarders, ready to eval your kinkiest, textiest dreams. Basically, don't get hung up on plugins. They exist because they don't make up the core of your editor, and if you find yourself liking emacs even a little bit then it is very likely you'll find a suitable replacement for each of those functions.

bjeanes 13y ago

agreed. It's a phenomenally "true" interpretation of Vim. Focusing on the "operator", "motion" and "text object" abstractions and making them composable functions is just sweet. Honestly, I think it's a better approach than how Vim does it...