4 ms·

Show HN: Find profitable niche in App Store and Google Play Market

63 points by wsieroci 13y ago

Hi, This is my brand new project which helps indie iOS/Android devs discover the most profitable phrase niches in Apple App Store and Google Play Market for their apps and monitor position of their apps in markets. Please give me your feedback :) Regards, Wiktor

wsieroci 13y ago
What do you think about this idea? Please give me your feedback :)
- zerr 13y ago
  Cool, reminds me of that google keywords finder. But how can we be sure about your numbers? From where do you get those?
- jcomis 13y ago
  What happened? It just says "closed".
dredge 13y ago
I'm used to playing the "UK, United Kingdom, Great Britain, England..." guessing game in drop down lists but putting "United Kingdom" in between Gabon and Grenada is a new one. I'd almost given up looking by that point. (Presumably the list is sorted by country code.)
- wsieroci 13y ago
  Yes. I have to change this. Thanks
  - dredge 13y ago
    Thanks for the interesting tool. Perhaps a couple of examples (from the time of writing) of niches you've identified with it would be helpful to first-time visitors? I know there's the slideshow on the homepage, but after putting a search phrase in there's nothing that immediately grabs me and makes me think "wow that's a big opportunity". Perhaps it's just me being mostly ignorant of the mobile market, but it's some honest feedback. There's a typo in the App Store/Play headings ("Competiton").
    - wsieroci 13y ago
      Yes, I have corrected this typo. Thanks
- rhizome 13y ago
  It makes sense as "Great Britain"
iseff 13y ago
I'm a founder and CEO at MobileDevHQ[1], a startup focused on App Store optimization. We have been doing this work for almost a year and a half now and have built powerful tools for understanding the App Store, including keyword research and market/niche finders. Appsleak looks interesting, congrats on launching! The app ecosystem needs more tools to help it mature and advance. To those of you interested in understanding markets/niches and keywords in the app stores, it is important to note a couple main points: First, there are large differences between Google/other web search volume and search volume in the App Store. At MobileDevHQ, we do lots of work to uncover those differences and provide realistic pictures of what is happening in the app stores themselves. For example, the volume on Google for "puzzles" likely has little relation to the volume in the app stores. Also, competition as defined by number of search results is a great start to understanding the difficulty it will take for you to rank highly for a particular term, but it doesn't go far enough. At the end of the day, it is not just about number of results, but also the factors that the app stores use to rank results, and how "entrenched" those factors are in current results. You can only begin to understand this with lots of data, which is why we have been collecting this for years now and have even released a tool we call Sonar to help developers and marketers understand when an App Store changes its search algorithm. There are tons of things I could riff on about App Store search, but those are the 2 most common thigs I see people missing, so I wanted to make sure I mentioned those in particular. [1] http://www.mobiledevhq.com http://www.mobiledevhq.com
- jscore 13y ago
  Your sales page says: "We track over 400,000 searches representing almost 50,000,000 results. " Really? Where do you get this data? Apple is certainly not making it available (for obvious reasons).
  - iseff 13y ago
    We do a lot of crawling various data sources. We spent over 3 years building a really great infrastructure to do this well. This is how we can present rank tracking for you and your competitors over time. The last time I checked, I think the number was actually over 500k... I should update that page!
rtucea 13y ago
You misspelled "competition" as "competiton". Also, the phrases don't really seem good, and seem to be based on unfiltered web searches, instead of app store searches or at least filtered web searches. For example with "photo" I get: - shutterfly - photobucket - photo editor -whited00r_tested.ipa - walgreens photo - photo editor Obviously, aside from the obvious "photo editor", none of these are useful. Also, it's down now. The abstract idea is interesting, but the current implementation doesn't seem useful.
- wsieroci 13y ago
  I think it depends on type of phrase, but yes some phrases will not seem good because it is still based on searches from Google
Samuel_Michon 13y ago
Page says ‘Closed’. Too bad, title piqued my interest.
- kanzure 13y ago
  That page is lying, it's not "Closed": http://appsleak.com/app/how_it_works/ http://appsleak.com/app/how_it_works/
ja27 13y ago
Interesting. It's a bit like Market Samurai with app store search results thrown in. I would love to see it pull in sales and grossing rank figures but they're a little harder to capture.
- jgmmo 13y ago
  That was my conclusion as well. I'm working on a Market Samurai competitor, currently in pre-launch at: http://KeywordSear.ch http://KeywordSear.ch I'm wondering how they got this data, I would love to be able to offer App store specific research. I agree, sales and gross rank would really be slick.
deleted 13y ago
[deleted]
dshanahan 13y ago
Site's down.

63 points by wsieroci 13y ago

wsieroci 13y ago

What do you think about this idea? Please give me your feedback :)

zerr 13y ago
Cool, reminds me of that google keywords finder. But how can we be sure about your numbers? From where do you get those?
jcomis 13y ago
What happened? It just says "closed".

dredge 13y ago

I'm used to playing the "UK, United Kingdom, Great Britain, England..." guessing game in drop down lists but putting "United Kingdom" in between Gabon and Grenada is a new one. I'd almost given up looking by that point. (Presumably the list is sorted by country code.)

wsieroci 13y ago
Yes. I have to change this. Thanks
- dredge 13y ago
  Thanks for the interesting tool. Perhaps a couple of examples (from the time of writing) of niches you've identified with it would be helpful to first-time visitors? I know there's the slideshow on the homepage, but after putting a search phrase in there's nothing that immediately grabs me and makes me think "wow that's a big opportunity". Perhaps it's just me being mostly ignorant of the mobile market, but it's some honest feedback. There's a typo in the App Store/Play headings ("Competiton").
  - wsieroci 13y ago
    Yes, I have corrected this typo. Thanks
rhizome 13y ago
It makes sense as "Great Britain"

iseff 13y ago

I'm a founder and CEO at MobileDevHQ[1], a startup focused on App Store optimization. We have been doing this work for almost a year and a half now and have built powerful tools for understanding the App Store, including keyword research and market/niche finders. Appsleak looks interesting, congrats on launching! The app ecosystem needs more tools to help it mature and advance. To those of you interested in understanding markets/niches and keywords in the app stores, it is important to note a couple main points: First, there are large differences between Google/other web search volume and search volume in the App Store. At MobileDevHQ, we do lots of work to uncover those differences and provide realistic pictures of what is happening in the app stores themselves. For example, the volume on Google for "puzzles" likely has little relation to the volume in the app stores. Also, competition as defined by number of search results is a great start to understanding the difficulty it will take for you to rank highly for a particular term, but it doesn't go far enough. At the end of the day, it is not just about number of results, but also the factors that the app stores use to rank results, and how "entrenched" those factors are in current results. You can only begin to understand this with lots of data, which is why we have been collecting this for years now and have even released a tool we call Sonar to help developers and marketers understand when an App Store changes its search algorithm. There are tons of things I could riff on about App Store search, but those are the 2 most common thigs I see people missing, so I wanted to make sure I mentioned those in particular. [1] http://www.mobiledevhq.com http://www.mobiledevhq.com

jscore 13y ago
Your sales page says: "We track over 400,000 searches representing almost 50,000,000 results. " Really? Where do you get this data? Apple is certainly not making it available (for obvious reasons).
- iseff 13y ago
  We do a lot of crawling various data sources. We spent over 3 years building a really great infrastructure to do this well. This is how we can present rank tracking for you and your competitors over time. The last time I checked, I think the number was actually over 500k... I should update that page!

rtucea 13y ago

You misspelled "competition" as "competiton". Also, the phrases don't really seem good, and seem to be based on unfiltered web searches, instead of app store searches or at least filtered web searches. For example with "photo" I get: - shutterfly - photobucket - photo editor -whited00r_tested.ipa - walgreens photo - photo editor Obviously, aside from the obvious "photo editor", none of these are useful. Also, it's down now. The abstract idea is interesting, but the current implementation doesn't seem useful.

wsieroci 13y ago
I think it depends on type of phrase, but yes some phrases will not seem good because it is still based on searches from Google

Samuel_Michon 13y ago

Page says ‘Closed’. Too bad, title piqued my interest.

kanzure 13y ago
That page is lying, it's not "Closed": http://appsleak.com/app/how_it_works/ http://appsleak.com/app/how_it_works/

ja27 13y ago

Interesting. It's a bit like Market Samurai with app store search results thrown in. I would love to see it pull in sales and grossing rank figures but they're a little harder to capture.

jgmmo 13y ago
That was my conclusion as well. I'm working on a Market Samurai competitor, currently in pre-launch at: http://KeywordSear.ch http://KeywordSear.ch I'm wondering how they got this data, I would love to be able to offer App store specific research. I agree, sales and gross rank would really be slick.

deleted 13y ago

[deleted]

dshanahan 13y ago

Site's down.