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>Everyone uses an ORM Bullshit. You are making absurd generalizations based on your personal view of how the rest of the world operates. >1. Do you have obje

>Everyone uses an ORM Bullshit. You are making absurd generalizations based on your personal view of how the rest of the world operates. >1. Do you have objects? No, I do not. That makes it pretty obvious that I do not use an ORM doesn't it? "Everyone" includes more than just people using OO languages.

nsxwolf 13y ago
Do you use data structures? Do you use variables? Do you use anything that in any way stores the values from your database so your application can work with them? Then you are doing XRM, where X = Objects, structs, vars...
- papsosouid 13y ago
  More wild assumptions. The M in ORM stands for mapping. I do not map anything, the data comes back in tuples, and is used exactly as-is. Just because it gets stored in a variable doesn't mean there is any form of mapping going on.
nissimk 13y ago
I don't know why you're being downvoted. Even when you're using an oo language, there's not always a reason to force your query results into an "Object." Frequently the only object you need is a 2 dimensional data structure which could be a list of dictionaries, or a DataTable or something like that. You don't always need a special named structure for the results of every query. ORM's always seem to be designed for people who have a one to one mapping between data structures in their program and tables in their DB. I find that this very rarely makes sense, particularly when you're talking about analytical applications.
- nsxwolf 13y ago
  Great, you have a list of dictionaries of dictionaries. Now the user has updated some of the items inside one of the nested dictionaries. The user clicks save. Now what? You've got to get that change to the data in the dictionary inserted into the correct place in the relational database. You're going to write code to do by hand what an ORM wants to do for you.

nsxwolf 13y ago

Do you use data structures? Do you use variables? Do you use anything that in any way stores the values from your database so your application can work with them? Then you are doing XRM, where X = Objects, structs, vars...

papsosouid 13y ago
More wild assumptions. The M in ORM stands for mapping. I do not map anything, the data comes back in tuples, and is used exactly as-is. Just because it gets stored in a variable doesn't mean there is any form of mapping going on.

nissimk 13y ago

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Even when you're using an oo language, there's not always a reason to force your query results into an "Object." Frequently the only object you need is a 2 dimensional data structure which could be a list of dictionaries, or a DataTable or something like that. You don't always need a special named structure for the results of every query. ORM's always seem to be designed for people who have a one to one mapping between data structures in their program and tables in their DB. I find that this very rarely makes sense, particularly when you're talking about analytical applications.

nsxwolf 13y ago
Great, you have a list of dictionaries of dictionaries. Now the user has updated some of the items inside one of the nested dictionaries. The user clicks save. Now what? You've got to get that change to the data in the dictionary inserted into the correct place in the relational database. You're going to write code to do by hand what an ORM wants to do for you.