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We need more advanced Gardens and 100% recycling of everything we use, the system must have a working circular flow. No Genetic engineering, or processing of ou

by X4 13y ago

We need more advanced Gardens and 100% recycling of everything we use, the system must have a working circular flow. No Genetic engineering, or processing of our food. It took billions of years for the nature to create the foods that are perfect for us, we cannot create something better (in a few hundred years). I wish that someday the entire Human race on Earth will be as enlightened as the people in Star Trek.

Riesling 13y ago
> It took billions of years for the nature to create the foods that are perfect for us, we cannot create something better (in a few hundred years). Technically it's not that nature created those foods for us to be perfect. It's more like that the available food has shaped human evolution. Those individuals who could make best use of those foods, also had the best chance of passing their genes onto following generations. This evolution continues today, probably even at a faster pace, especially since we are processing foods to the limit.
takluyver 13y ago
> It took billions of years for the nature to create the foods that are perfect for us, we cannot create something better (in a few hundred years). Nature has no such intention - in fact, in most cases, evolution favours inedibility. Even simple processing methods like leaching out toxins with water probably made our food much better. Fruit has evolved to be edible, but it's hardly perfect for us - it's more like a sugary treat. Milk might be the only thing we consume which has evolved as a nutrient source for creatures like us.
ceejayoz 13y ago
> It took billions of years for the nature to create the foods that are perfect for us, we cannot create something better (in a few hundred years). Bullshit. We created those foods. Our staple crops and domestic animals have all been genetically engineered via selective breeding and trial and error for millennia. Food processing - making bread, cheese, salted meats, canned foods etc. from raw materials - allowed us to move out of the hunter gatherer existence into a society that sends robots to other planets.
- X4 13y ago
  I honestly don't understand why you are so aggressively against my opinion? Genetic-engineering isn't bad per se, I see huge value of it in Reversing the genetical damage (esp. RNAi and siRNA therapies). I said: "..we cannot create something better (in a few hundred years)." You said: "We created those foods". [..] all been genetically engineered [..] Where is the proof that these processed or genetically engineered foods are better? To clarify things, we DID NOT create those foods, we modified them. Creating is food is clearly something entirely different. We've not advanced that far in Bio-sciences.
  - ceejayoz 13y ago
    > I honestly don't understand why you are so aggressively against my opinion? Because statements like "took billions of years for the nature to create the foods that are perfect for us" are false and absurd. Nature didn't create foods to be perfect for us. The goal of natural selection was for those organisms to survive, not necessarily to be tasty to humans, and most of the foods we eat were modified by us to our liking. It's the same sort of argument anti-vaccine nuts use. "We were fine before vaccines!" No, we weren't. Millions upon millions died of easily preventable, natural diseases. > Where is the proof that these processed or genetically engineered foods are better? Try surviving off wild bananas or the wild grasses we bred into wheat and rice. They're harder to digest, yield less, etc. > To clarify things, we DID NOT create those foods, we modified them. And? We're doing that with GMO foods, too. Humanity hasn't yet created even a single-celled bacterium from scratch, let alone a corn plant.
EliRivers 13y ago
Nature's bananas are bloody awful.

by X4 13y ago

Riesling 13y ago

> It took billions of years for the nature to create the foods that are perfect for us, we cannot create something better (in a few hundred years). Technically it's not that nature created those foods for us to be perfect. It's more like that the available food has shaped human evolution. Those individuals who could make best use of those foods, also had the best chance of passing their genes onto following generations. This evolution continues today, probably even at a faster pace, especially since we are processing foods to the limit.

takluyver 13y ago

> It took billions of years for the nature to create the foods that are perfect for us, we cannot create something better (in a few hundred years). Nature has no such intention - in fact, in most cases, evolution favours inedibility. Even simple processing methods like leaching out toxins with water probably made our food much better. Fruit has evolved to be edible, but it's hardly perfect for us - it's more like a sugary treat. Milk might be the only thing we consume which has evolved as a nutrient source for creatures like us.

ceejayoz 13y ago

> It took billions of years for the nature to create the foods that are perfect for us, we cannot create something better (in a few hundred years). Bullshit. We created those foods. Our staple crops and domestic animals have all been genetically engineered via selective breeding and trial and error for millennia. Food processing - making bread, cheese, salted meats, canned foods etc. from raw materials - allowed us to move out of the hunter gatherer existence into a society that sends robots to other planets.

X4 13y ago
I honestly don't understand why you are so aggressively against my opinion? Genetic-engineering isn't bad per se, I see huge value of it in Reversing the genetical damage (esp. RNAi and siRNA therapies). I said: "..we cannot create something better (in a few hundred years)." You said: "We created those foods". [..] all been genetically engineered [..] Where is the proof that these processed or genetically engineered foods are better? To clarify things, we DID NOT create those foods, we modified them. Creating is food is clearly something entirely different. We've not advanced that far in Bio-sciences.
- ceejayoz 13y ago
  > I honestly don't understand why you are so aggressively against my opinion? Because statements like "took billions of years for the nature to create the foods that are perfect for us" are false and absurd. Nature didn't create foods to be perfect for us. The goal of natural selection was for those organisms to survive, not necessarily to be tasty to humans, and most of the foods we eat were modified by us to our liking. It's the same sort of argument anti-vaccine nuts use. "We were fine before vaccines!" No, we weren't. Millions upon millions died of easily preventable, natural diseases. > Where is the proof that these processed or genetically engineered foods are better? Try surviving off wild bananas or the wild grasses we bred into wheat and rice. They're harder to digest, yield less, etc. > To clarify things, we DID NOT create those foods, we modified them. And? We're doing that with GMO foods, too. Humanity hasn't yet created even a single-celled bacterium from scratch, let alone a corn plant.

EliRivers 13y ago

Nature's bananas are bloody awful.