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I can't wait for end-to-end encryption to become more mainstream. What would happen if Apple or Samsung started selling cell phones that encrypted voice commun

I can't wait for end-to-end encryption to become more mainstream. What would happen if Apple or Samsung started selling cell phones that encrypted voice communications end-to-end and prevented any kind of intercepting? Would the government just ban them?

nsxwolf 13y ago
Yes. Remember Clipper chip?
- tsotha 13y ago
  And remember how it failed? The only way the government is going to be able to snoop in on everyone's traffic is to make the use of cryptography illegal. I don't see how that can work, either, since it's sort of necessary for commercial transactions.
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- RKearney 13y ago
  Well the downside to iMessage is all of your messages are stored on Apples servers, waiting to be given to authorities at the drop of a warrant. When I said end-to-end encryption, I was thinking more along the lines of the middle man (Apple) not having the ability to decrypt your messages.
moxie 13y ago
We're working on open source mobile end-to-end encryption at Open Whisper Systems: http://www.whispersystems.org http://www.whispersystems.org We'd love it if more interested folks got involved.
- mheathr 13y ago
  I am very impressed by this. Are their plans to integrate the software elsewhere such that it is available ubiquitously in every environment instead of just Android?
  - moxie 13y ago
    iOS development is in the works.
andyjohnson0 13y ago
http://www.redactapp.com/ http://www.redactapp.com/ "Using encryption, ciphers and peer to peer messaging, Redact sends heavily encrypted messages from one phone to another without passing through any central servers. Messages you have sent or received can be redacted from both handsets at the touch of a button with no method of recovery."
- JshWright 13y ago
  Where's the source?
  - andyjohnson0 13y ago
    For what? The application? The underlying OS? The vhdl for the CPU? What do you want to distrust first?

nsxwolf 13y ago

Yes. Remember Clipper chip?

tsotha 13y ago
And remember how it failed? The only way the government is going to be able to snoop in on everyone's traffic is to make the use of cryptography illegal. I don't see how that can work, either, since it's sort of necessary for commercial transactions.

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RKearney 13y ago
Well the downside to iMessage is all of your messages are stored on Apples servers, waiting to be given to authorities at the drop of a warrant. When I said end-to-end encryption, I was thinking more along the lines of the middle man (Apple) not having the ability to decrypt your messages.

moxie 13y ago

We're working on open source mobile end-to-end encryption at Open Whisper Systems: http://www.whispersystems.org http://www.whispersystems.org We'd love it if more interested folks got involved.

mheathr 13y ago
I am very impressed by this. Are their plans to integrate the software elsewhere such that it is available ubiquitously in every environment instead of just Android?
- moxie 13y ago
  iOS development is in the works.

andyjohnson0 13y ago

http://www.redactapp.com/ http://www.redactapp.com/ "Using encryption, ciphers and peer to peer messaging, Redact sends heavily encrypted messages from one phone to another without passing through any central servers. Messages you have sent or received can be redacted from both handsets at the touch of a button with no method of recovery."

JshWright 13y ago
Where's the source?
- andyjohnson0 13y ago
  For what? The application? The underlying OS? The vhdl for the CPU? What do you want to distrust first?