5 ms·

Why this comment is down-voted? He tells the truth. Please look at this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al

by oakaz 13y ago

Why this comment is down-voted? He tells the truth. Please look at this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati He is the commander of the terrorists in Syria. These people are crazy islamists and all they believe is that they'll save Syria by killing people. Please see the truth. The Al Jazeera analysis linked above is really good.

WalterSear 13y ago
Because they said there was no civil war going on in Syria.
- oakaz 13y ago
  So what?! My brother studies in Hatay, a city near Syria. This city used to be a safe, liberal city. Until the fucking "civil war". Now, it's filled by a kind of some radical islamists migrated from Syria because of the "civil war". Now women and children in Hatay are afraid of going out of their home because their streets are full of aggressive and criminal North Syrian extreme islamists. Check those links. This war is definitely not for democracy.
  - knowaveragejoe 13y ago
    The links don't help though. The main one is an Op-Ed piece. The other is from GlobalResearch which is borderline conspiracy drivel.
    - oakaz 13y ago
      If you are looking for the truth, it's really not hard. Go to Youtube, search about the street reviews in Syria made by BBC, see how Syrian people expressed themself to rest of the world.
      - katbyte 13y ago
        Just because some Syrians express a view on does not make it the view held unanimously by all Syrians, and thus 'the truth'. Different folk will be benefiting and supporting the existing regime while others will be protesting it, look at the States, or any nation and how easy it is to find differing viewpoints on almost anything. I don't know what the truth about the situation in syria is, nor do i think i ever fully will no matter how many youtube videos/interviews i watch, however from what i have seen of the government's response to the protests makes me lean towards thinking that government is not deserving of the power it has.
        WalterSear 13y ago
        FWIW, everyone knows that the Syrian government is an evil beast. However, Asaad and his father have mercilessly controlled the religious factions, holding together an otherwise fractured society, and made it possible for minorities to survive. The power vacuum it leaves behind will be much worse for Syria than the regime. And that's not even counting the damage that all the external forces will be doing.
        katbyte 13y ago
        That is true, its a change for better or quite possibly worse.
        oakaz 13y ago
        Oh, come on. Please take a look at how Egypt is now. The new government all you internet activists supported is now willing to destroy the pyramids because "there is only one god" according to their crazy fucking mind. FSA is even, and much more worse. You'll see what the evil beast once they get the chance. Even now, there are disgusting videos of them forcing christians to be muslim. All their motivation is jihad. That people don't believe in democracy. They are actually the evil beasts.
  - nandemo 13y ago
    It's a conflict between the Syrian government forces and several militias of (mostly) Syrians. So it's a civil war. Yeah, some of the militias aren't interested in democracy, and some are funded by external powers that have various interests in Syria. It's still a civil war.
    - oakaz 13y ago
      It is definitely not. As you can see the prove in my other comments, Free Syrian Army was established by a NATO sponsored Libyan terrorist. As you can see in their videos, these fucking terrorists don't even speak the Syrian dialect of Arabic. We are talking about a global terrorist organization and huge manipulations made by NATO countries to legalize this terrorism. Please go to do some research.
      - katbyte 13y ago
        At what point does it go from terrorism to a civil war? I'm not saying syria is or isn't one, but you got me thinking about how a civil war could very well be labeled terrorism and vice versa depending on the spin you wanted to put on it.
    - kmcd 13y ago
      > several militias of (mostly) Syrians. So it's a civil war. Incorrect: this is an external destablisation by NATO, Qatar et al. & a heroic defence by the Syrian people. Who is training, funding & supporting the death squads in Syria? NATO, under the supervision of Robert Stephen Ford: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-salvador-option-for-syria-us-nato-sponsored-death-squads-integrate-opposition-forces/31096 http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-salvador-option-for-syria-u... Negroponte/Ford were resposible for running the death squads in central America in the 80's & Iraq in 2004 onwards. If Mexico & Canada were sending snipers to the US & some libertarians joined in - would you call that a civil war?
  - WalterSear 13y ago
    I lived in Syria for 8 years. Some of the early members of the FSA were good friends of a cousin of mine. This war wasn't started by outside forces, no matter who got involved after te fact. Sure, there's all sorts of crazies involved now, but there are also still plenty of Syrians involved. Which makes it a civil war.
dsaber 13y ago
Please get your facts straight. How about you also read these articles: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/10/201110279954762656.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/10/2011102799... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/06/20126410503297278.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/06/20126410503... Before the terrorists you're referring to went into Syria, the regime was brutally terrorizing its own citizens. There are countless of videos that prove it. It's the very actions of the mafia-like Syrian regime that has lead the country to where it is today, unfortunately.
- kmcd 13y ago
  FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-... > the regime was brutally terrorizing its own citizens. There are countless of videos that prove it. Where are videos - have you verified them? Didn't think so. Re: Houla - carried out by NATO backed terrorists, confirmed in a UN report. http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/682-the-houla-massacre.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/687-houla-massacre-update-the-un-report.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/683-the-houla-massacre-part-2-shades-of-grey.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... This is part of massacre marketing strategy by NATO, Qatar et al: Writing in Bild, [2] longtime German war correspondent Jurgen Todenhofer accused the rebels of "deliberately killing civilians and then presenting them as victims of the government". He described this "massacre-marketing strategy" as being "among the most disgusting things that I have ever experienced in an armed conflict" http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort?
  - dsaber 13y ago
    > FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. Had you even lived in Syria, you'd realize how it's virtually impossible to get an accurate and true poll. There's absolutely no freedom of expression. Citizens don't trust each other. There's around 275 intelligence officers for each Syrian citizen. The country is littered with the picture of the ruling Assad mafia that's shoved down the throat of all citizens. The vast majority of Syrians are scared to death of government. I know this, since not only have I lived there, I have many relatives and friends who have been either imprisoned, tortured, or exiled for simply speaking out. Obviously, the government does have some support, but it's vast majority of supporters are beneficiaries of the government or are dependent on the government for their source of income. Add to that the brainwashing and fear the government has instilled in its own citizens for over 40 years, and it's not surprising to see such reports. > Where are videos - have you verified them? Yes, many of those videos have been verified. > So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort? What a ridiculous question. You very well know my position about advocating for the rights and freedom of civilians. But, that question demonstrates many of the classic logical fallacies in your entire argument. The Syrian government has been terrorizing its own citizens before your claimed propaganda efforts were in the picture. Sure, there are players that are now taking advantage of the situation, but that doesn't invalidate the claim that the main responsible party in the destruction of the country is the Syrian regime, which has allowed other parties to take advantage.
deleted 13y ago
[deleted]

by oakaz 13y ago

WalterSear 13y ago

Because they said there was no civil war going on in Syria.

oakaz 13y ago
So what?! My brother studies in Hatay, a city near Syria. This city used to be a safe, liberal city. Until the fucking "civil war". Now, it's filled by a kind of some radical islamists migrated from Syria because of the "civil war". Now women and children in Hatay are afraid of going out of their home because their streets are full of aggressive and criminal North Syrian extreme islamists. Check those links. This war is definitely not for democracy.
- knowaveragejoe 13y ago
  The links don't help though. The main one is an Op-Ed piece. The other is from GlobalResearch which is borderline conspiracy drivel.
  - oakaz 13y ago
    If you are looking for the truth, it's really not hard. Go to Youtube, search about the street reviews in Syria made by BBC, see how Syrian people expressed themself to rest of the world.
    - katbyte 13y ago
      Just because some Syrians express a view on does not make it the view held unanimously by all Syrians, and thus 'the truth'. Different folk will be benefiting and supporting the existing regime while others will be protesting it, look at the States, or any nation and how easy it is to find differing viewpoints on almost anything. I don't know what the truth about the situation in syria is, nor do i think i ever fully will no matter how many youtube videos/interviews i watch, however from what i have seen of the government's response to the protests makes me lean towards thinking that government is not deserving of the power it has.
      - WalterSear 13y ago
        FWIW, everyone knows that the Syrian government is an evil beast. However, Asaad and his father have mercilessly controlled the religious factions, holding together an otherwise fractured society, and made it possible for minorities to survive. The power vacuum it leaves behind will be much worse for Syria than the regime. And that's not even counting the damage that all the external forces will be doing.
        katbyte 13y ago
        That is true, its a change for better or quite possibly worse.
        oakaz 13y ago
        Oh, come on. Please take a look at how Egypt is now. The new government all you internet activists supported is now willing to destroy the pyramids because "there is only one god" according to their crazy fucking mind. FSA is even, and much more worse. You'll see what the evil beast once they get the chance. Even now, there are disgusting videos of them forcing christians to be muslim. All their motivation is jihad. That people don't believe in democracy. They are actually the evil beasts.
- nandemo 13y ago
  It's a conflict between the Syrian government forces and several militias of (mostly) Syrians. So it's a civil war. Yeah, some of the militias aren't interested in democracy, and some are funded by external powers that have various interests in Syria. It's still a civil war.
  - oakaz 13y ago
    It is definitely not. As you can see the prove in my other comments, Free Syrian Army was established by a NATO sponsored Libyan terrorist. As you can see in their videos, these fucking terrorists don't even speak the Syrian dialect of Arabic. We are talking about a global terrorist organization and huge manipulations made by NATO countries to legalize this terrorism. Please go to do some research.
    - katbyte 13y ago
      At what point does it go from terrorism to a civil war? I'm not saying syria is or isn't one, but you got me thinking about how a civil war could very well be labeled terrorism and vice versa depending on the spin you wanted to put on it.
  - kmcd 13y ago
    > several militias of (mostly) Syrians. So it's a civil war. Incorrect: this is an external destablisation by NATO, Qatar et al. & a heroic defence by the Syrian people. Who is training, funding & supporting the death squads in Syria? NATO, under the supervision of Robert Stephen Ford: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-salvador-option-for-syria-us-nato-sponsored-death-squads-integrate-opposition-forces/31096 http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-salvador-option-for-syria-u... Negroponte/Ford were resposible for running the death squads in central America in the 80's & Iraq in 2004 onwards. If Mexico & Canada were sending snipers to the US & some libertarians joined in - would you call that a civil war?
- WalterSear 13y ago
  I lived in Syria for 8 years. Some of the early members of the FSA were good friends of a cousin of mine. This war wasn't started by outside forces, no matter who got involved after te fact. Sure, there's all sorts of crazies involved now, but there are also still plenty of Syrians involved. Which makes it a civil war.

dsaber 13y ago

Please get your facts straight. How about you also read these articles: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/10/201110279954762656.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/10/2011102799... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/06/20126410503297278.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/06/20126410503... Before the terrorists you're referring to went into Syria, the regime was brutally terrorizing its own citizens. There are countless of videos that prove it. It's the very actions of the mafia-like Syrian regime that has lead the country to where it is today, unfortunately.

kmcd 13y ago
FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-... > the regime was brutally terrorizing its own citizens. There are countless of videos that prove it. Where are videos - have you verified them? Didn't think so. Re: Houla - carried out by NATO backed terrorists, confirmed in a UN report. http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/682-the-houla-massacre.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/687-houla-massacre-update-the-un-report.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/683-the-houla-massacre-part-2-shades-of-grey.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... This is part of massacre marketing strategy by NATO, Qatar et al: Writing in Bild, [2] longtime German war correspondent Jurgen Todenhofer accused the rebels of "deliberately killing civilians and then presenting them as victims of the government". He described this "massacre-marketing strategy" as being "among the most disgusting things that I have ever experienced in an armed conflict" http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort?
- dsaber 13y ago
  > FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. Had you even lived in Syria, you'd realize how it's virtually impossible to get an accurate and true poll. There's absolutely no freedom of expression. Citizens don't trust each other. There's around 275 intelligence officers for each Syrian citizen. The country is littered with the picture of the ruling Assad mafia that's shoved down the throat of all citizens. The vast majority of Syrians are scared to death of government. I know this, since not only have I lived there, I have many relatives and friends who have been either imprisoned, tortured, or exiled for simply speaking out. Obviously, the government does have some support, but it's vast majority of supporters are beneficiaries of the government or are dependent on the government for their source of income. Add to that the brainwashing and fear the government has instilled in its own citizens for over 40 years, and it's not surprising to see such reports. > Where are videos - have you verified them? Yes, many of those videos have been verified. > So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort? What a ridiculous question. You very well know my position about advocating for the rights and freedom of civilians. But, that question demonstrates many of the classic logical fallacies in your entire argument. The Syrian government has been terrorizing its own citizens before your claimed propaganda efforts were in the picture. Sure, there are players that are now taking advantage of the situation, but that doesn't invalidate the claim that the main responsible party in the destruction of the country is the Syrian regime, which has allowed other parties to take advantage.

deleted 13y ago

[deleted]