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> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secur

• oakaz 13y ago
  Why this comment is down-voted? He tells the truth. Please look at this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati He is the commander of the terrorists in Syria. These people are crazy islamists and all they believe is that they'll save Syria by killing people. Please see the truth. The Al Jazeera analysis linked above is really good.
  • WalterSear 13y ago
    Because they said there was no civil war going on in Syria.
    • oakaz 13y ago
      So what?! My brother studies in Hatay, a city near Syria. This city used to be a safe, liberal city. Until the fucking "civil war". Now, it's filled by a kind of some radical islamists migrated from Syria because of the "civil war". Now women and children in Hatay are afraid of going out of their home because their streets are full of aggressive and criminal North Syrian extreme islamists. Check those links. This war is definitely not for democracy.
      • knowaveragejoe 13y ago
        The links don't help though. The main one is an Op-Ed piece. The other is from GlobalResearch which is borderline conspiracy drivel.
        • oakaz 13y ago
          If you are looking for the truth, it's really not hard. Go to Youtube, search about the street reviews in Syria made by BBC, see how Syrian people expressed themself to rest of the world.
          • katbyte 13y ago
            Just because some Syrians express a view on does not make it the view held unanimously by all Syrians, and thus 'the truth'. Different folk will be benefiting and supporting the existing regime while others will be protesting it, look at the States, or any nation and how easy it is to find differing viewpoints on almost anything. I don't know what the truth about the situation in syria is, nor do i think i ever fully will no matter how many youtube videos/interviews i watch, however from what i have seen of the government's response to the protests makes me lean towards thinking that government is not deserving of the power it has.
            • WalterSear 13y ago
              FWIW, everyone knows that the Syrian government is an evil beast. However, Asaad and his father have mercilessly controlled the religious factions, holding together an otherwise fractured society, and made it possible for minorities to survive. The power vacuum it leaves behind will be much worse for Syria than the regime. And that's not even counting the damage that all the external forces will be doing.
              • katbyte 13y ago
                That is true, its a change for better or quite possibly worse.
  • dsaber 13y ago
    Please get your facts straight. How about you also read these articles: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/10/201110279954762656.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/10/2011102799... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/06/20126410503297278.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/06/20126410503... Before the terrorists you're referring to went into Syria, the regime was brutally terrorizing its own citizens. There are countless of videos that prove it. It's the very actions of the mafia-like Syrian regime that has lead the country to where it is today, unfortunately.
    • kmcd 13y ago
      FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-... > the regime was brutally terrorizing its own citizens. There are countless of videos that prove it. Where are videos - have you verified them? Didn't think so. Re: Houla - carried out by NATO backed terrorists, confirmed in a UN report. http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/682-the-houla-massacre.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/687-houla-massacre-update-the-un-report.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/683-the-houla-massacre-part-2-shades-of-grey.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... This is part of massacre marketing strategy by NATO, Qatar et al: Writing in Bild, [2] longtime German war correspondent Jurgen Todenhofer accused the rebels of "deliberately killing civilians and then presenting them as victims of the government". He described this "massacre-marketing strategy" as being "among the most disgusting things that I have ever experienced in an armed conflict" http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort?
      • dsaber 13y ago
        > FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. Had you even lived in Syria, you'd realize how it's virtually impossible to get an accurate and true poll. There's absolutely no freedom of expression. Citizens don't trust each other. There's around 275 intelligence officers for each Syrian citizen. The country is littered with the picture of the ruling Assad mafia that's shoved down the throat of all citizens. The vast majority of Syrians are scared to death of government. I know this, since not only have I lived there, I have many relatives and friends who have been either imprisoned, tortured, or exiled for simply speaking out. Obviously, the government does have some support, but it's vast majority of supporters are beneficiaries of the government or are dependent on the government for their source of income. Add to that the brainwashing and fear the government has instilled in its own citizens for over 40 years, and it's not surprising to see such reports. > Where are videos - have you verified them? Yes, many of those videos have been verified. > So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort? What a ridiculous question. You very well know my position about advocating for the rights and freedom of civilians. But, that question demonstrates many of the classic logical fallacies in your entire argument. The Syrian government has been terrorizing its own citizens before your claimed propaganda efforts were in the picture. Sure, there are players that are now taking advantage of the situation, but that doesn't invalidate the claim that the main responsible party in the destruction of the country is the Syrian regime, which has allowed other parties to take advantage.
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• benjoffe 13y ago
  > About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND That's $360,000 per MINUTE (not second). 200*10^9/365/24/60/60 = 6342
• angersock 13y ago
  Wow. That's an interesting read, if nothing else.
• knowaveragejoe 13y ago
  Erm, that's an op-ed piece. Can someone explain why a proposed pipeline through Syria would be threatening enough to Turkey that it would rally many other states behind it in astroturfing the 2+ year conflict? The decades of oppression under the Assad family had nothing to do with it? Also, seriously? Global Research is a source?
  • oakaz 13y ago
    You need one more read of the article in El Jazeera. And see my other comments. I'm from Turkey, follow the this shit actively and my brother studies in Hatay, near the Syria border. There is plenty of crazy bullshit in this war. And you can easily make sure this fake "civil war" was established by a global organization to break the gas monopoly of Russia and Iran by some research in Wikipedia.
    • knowaveragejoe 13y ago
      Do Russia and Iran have a monopoly on gas in Europe or something? Because they sure don't on the US. Less than 10% of our oil comes from Iran and Russia combined.
• mpyne 13y ago
  You do realize that NATO is a separate entity from the UK, Israel, France, etc. right? Unless you can show actual NATO forces what you've said is the equivalent of saying that the UN is waging a terrorism campaign because some of its member states happened to allegedly be involved. And while I agree the Al Jazeera link is thought-provoking, that's all I could see in there. Thought-exercises about who benefits from what in the whole series of conflicts. If anything the writer seemed to go along with the idea that the uprising commenced due to the Arab Spring and now it's a question of what actors external to Syria might do. The only discussion I saw regarding NATO was whether or not NATO would have cause to go all-out after Assad... without any discussion of what "going all-out" might mean (since presumably it doesn't involve the military). There's also no real discussion of how Israel would benefit from any of these pipeline schemes. For all the animosity Israel and Syria might have had for each other, the current situation has to be considered worse from their point of view than a stable Syrian nation where all the weapons were staying in secure Syrian bunkers.
  • oakaz 13y ago
    UK Ambulances are hanging out near the Syria-Turkey border every fucking day. See my other comments if you are curios how I know this. Or, here is a quick hint for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati Al Jazeera link is not thought-provoking, it's what the truth is.
    • mpyne 13y ago
      And what exactly does UK having ambulances in Turkey actually prove? It could just as easily be a bunch of do-gooders getting bored of eating soy and protesting against GMOs trying to help out the Syrian refugees they know would be there. In the meantime the evil WASPs plotting secret plans to funnel petrodollars to their bank accounts would be using completely non-descript vehicles because they're not f'in stupid. The link you've posted about Mahdi has absolutely nothing surreal except for the idea that the CIA might have paid him.... to help overthrow Gaddafi. That's the dictator that NATO actually was dropping bombs on, so why should it have been surprising that the CIA was helping push that along, exactly?
• dsaber 13y ago
  Well, let's suppose what you said is all true. That doesn't preclude the fact the regime is playing this game as well and in fact is utilizing it to its advantage. The fact of the matter is, Syria has been under the control of a mafia-like government for over 40 years, and ruled by one family. It's one of the most repressive regimes on earth. You're also forgetting that the revolution started peacefully. People protested simply for freedom and liberty, which all human beings aspire for. It was the suppressive and violent actions of the government, which immediately resorted to killing its own citizens, that has lead the conflict to eventually turn violent and to where it is now. No matter what the global interests are, it's the very actions of the suppressive regime that's worsening the situation and leading to the country's destruction. None of this would exist and we wouldn't be talking about it today, had the mafia-like government initially conceded to the will of the people and worked on transitioning the country to a fully democratic government. But notice the "mafia-like" adjective? A mafia-like government obviously does not have the best interest of the country in mind, so they're not going to adopt the will of the people and threaten their iron-grip rule. They're going to suppress every dissent with maximum force. That's exactly what has been happening for over 40 years.
  • mladenkovacevic 13y ago
    Events did not play out as straight forward as you describe them. If your only source is the 6 o'clock news then yes that really is what you believe. But if you had followed the conflict closely and relied on a variety of independent sources you would have a much different picture.
    • dsaber 13y ago
      Who said I wasn't following the events closely? Not only have I followed them closely, I also have many relatives there who have been severely affected by the situation and witnessed first-hand what the regime has done. Some have been imprisoned and tortured for simply speaking out. Rather than pointing at ambiguous 6 o'clock news and blindly judging what I know, please state some facts that refute my statements.
    • jcrites 13y ago
• joonix 13y ago
  What does the South Pars field have to do with Syria? South Pars gas ships through the Persian Gulf.
• Udo 13y ago
  Calling it a civil war does not mean we support the islamist rebels, you have to understand that. The label "civil war" is not a value judgement, it's a description of what is actually going on. Syria is a dictatorship, and it's under assault from (mostly) fanatical religious people. One does not always have to choose sides. It isn't always good vs evil. We need to be very clear that the ruling regime has a lot of blood on its hands. But I also understand the visceral hatred reserved for the muslim extremists who are on the other side of this war. I imagine the rebels will win the civil war eventually, supported by the West all the way of course, but it won't be a victory for democracy or freedom or anything like that. Syria has a long and awful history, like most of the countries that surround it. Good guys do not exist in this region, at least not in a statistically meaningful number.
• hasenj 13y ago
  If the NATO was really involved then this war would've been over months ago. The regime is still alive because no outside force is really doing anything.
  • kmcd 13y ago
    > The regime is still alive because no outside force is really doing anything. Do you even read the news? http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/05/killing-syrians-a-game-anyone-can-play/ http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/05/killing-syria... You clearly haven't got a clue about the events of the past 2 years.
    • hasenj 13y ago
      That's not doing anything .. The NATO can take the regime down in a week.