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WOW. For fucking shame.

pyre 14y ago
What's for shame? You're post boils down to: "What she did was wrong, but I don't know if he did something significantly less wrong to her, so I can't be bothered to care at all." or "Sure she murdered him, but the article doesn't tell us if he looked her the wrong way or not, so I can't be bothered to care about this murder."
- PavlovsCat 14y ago
  That I got downmodded within minutes by some clown who didn't feel it necessary to, you know, peruse the keyboard. Couldn't help to notice how pathetic that is. And no, I simply think context and chronology matters. If I break into a house, does that justify the house owner strapping me down and torturing me for weeks? No, but it's a crucial detail. If you hurt someone who you think can't fight back, and then they do, that's a different story than a random attack out of nowhere.
  - pyre 14y ago
    It still doesn't justify the attack, so I fail to see how it is material. If you thought that (for example) breaking into someone's house justified weeks of torture, then the "breaking into someone's house" part would be relevant. If it doesn't than it's a detail with little importance. There may be some importance in a trial or at sentencing, but this is not a court, and you a not a judge holding sway over his ex-girlfriend's punishment/future.
    - PavlovsCat 14y ago
      "So I ran into this guy in a totally dark house, and before I know it I'm strapped to this chair"... what led to something does matter when evaluating sympathy or Schadenfreude. Which is what I actually said in my first post, "for me to care". I haven't been given enough information to get upset on behalf of this guy I never met -- sorry. And I actually don't think what interests me here would interest in court; so? None of us are judges, now that you mention it. So if there is no use in asking questions, what is the use of accepting it at face value? What, exactly, are we convening here for, as it were?
      - pyre 14y ago
        | what led to something does matter when | evaluating sympathy or Schadenfreude Even though you say that breaking and entering doesn't justify weeks of torture, your other statements don't back that up. If you think that nothing deserves weeks of torture, then why do you even need that information to evaluate it (to care)?
  - illuminate 14y ago
    Your making up a fantasy situation is why you were downvoted by many people. It's unnecessary slander and the courts did not find any of it in reality. Victim shaming is pretty nasty. Are there cases where your scenario is true? Sure. Is there absolutely any evidence of this outside your fantasies? No. Someone "looks young" and you're still carrying on with this fantasy after you were informed that AS PER THE STORY she was a well-grown adult.
    - PavlovsCat 14y ago
      With what, exactly, am I "carrying on"? What "fantasies" do I engage in, and who here doesn't, you including?
      - illuminate 14y ago
        I think about the opposing sides to plenty of stories, including this one. I don't "bravely" stumble into conversations with baseless crackpot theories and then suggest that others are wrong for not taking them seriously. It ended badly. That doesn't justify stalking, harassment, and the lies she tried to spread about him, and pushes sane persons towards thinking that perhaps it ended badly because she's not grounded in reality, not because he was somehow cruel. Again, if the stuff she tried to spread in internet postings were true, I would have much more sympathy for her. Since they're fabrications, everything else seems to point towards her being unglued.

pyre 14y ago

What's for shame? You're post boils down to: "What she did was wrong, but I don't know if he did something significantly less wrong to her, so I can't be bothered to care at all." or "Sure she murdered him, but the article doesn't tell us if he looked her the wrong way or not, so I can't be bothered to care about this murder."

PavlovsCat 14y ago
That I got downmodded within minutes by some clown who didn't feel it necessary to, you know, peruse the keyboard. Couldn't help to notice how pathetic that is. And no, I simply think context and chronology matters. If I break into a house, does that justify the house owner strapping me down and torturing me for weeks? No, but it's a crucial detail. If you hurt someone who you think can't fight back, and then they do, that's a different story than a random attack out of nowhere.
- pyre 14y ago
  It still doesn't justify the attack, so I fail to see how it is material. If you thought that (for example) breaking into someone's house justified weeks of torture, then the "breaking into someone's house" part would be relevant. If it doesn't than it's a detail with little importance. There may be some importance in a trial or at sentencing, but this is not a court, and you a not a judge holding sway over his ex-girlfriend's punishment/future.
  - PavlovsCat 14y ago
    "So I ran into this guy in a totally dark house, and before I know it I'm strapped to this chair"... what led to something does matter when evaluating sympathy or Schadenfreude. Which is what I actually said in my first post, "for me to care". I haven't been given enough information to get upset on behalf of this guy I never met -- sorry. And I actually don't think what interests me here would interest in court; so? None of us are judges, now that you mention it. So if there is no use in asking questions, what is the use of accepting it at face value? What, exactly, are we convening here for, as it were?
    - pyre 14y ago
      | what led to something does matter when | evaluating sympathy or Schadenfreude Even though you say that breaking and entering doesn't justify weeks of torture, your other statements don't back that up. If you think that nothing deserves weeks of torture, then why do you even need that information to evaluate it (to care)?
- illuminate 14y ago
  Your making up a fantasy situation is why you were downvoted by many people. It's unnecessary slander and the courts did not find any of it in reality. Victim shaming is pretty nasty. Are there cases where your scenario is true? Sure. Is there absolutely any evidence of this outside your fantasies? No. Someone "looks young" and you're still carrying on with this fantasy after you were informed that AS PER THE STORY she was a well-grown adult.
  - PavlovsCat 14y ago
    With what, exactly, am I "carrying on"? What "fantasies" do I engage in, and who here doesn't, you including?
    - illuminate 14y ago
      I think about the opposing sides to plenty of stories, including this one. I don't "bravely" stumble into conversations with baseless crackpot theories and then suggest that others are wrong for not taking them seriously. It ended badly. That doesn't justify stalking, harassment, and the lies she tried to spread about him, and pushes sane persons towards thinking that perhaps it ended badly because she's not grounded in reality, not because he was somehow cruel. Again, if the stuff she tried to spread in internet postings were true, I would have much more sympathy for her. Since they're fabrications, everything else seems to point towards her being unglued.