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It doesn't say her age anywhere. He's 35, she looks like she could be rather young. It also says "after they split up" which strikes me as saying nothing; who b

It doesn't say her age anywhere. He's 35, she looks like she could be rather young. It also says "after they split up" which strikes me as saying nothing; who broke up with whom, how and why? Oh, and "dated for several months", does that mean "had sex with, while she was under the impression it was serious when he knew all along it wasn't for him"? Mind you, even IF any of those speculations hold any truth, that still wouldn't excuse her way of dealing with that (though it would excuse kicking him in the nuts with gusto though, in my books). But still, that this story is one-sided can't be helped, that it has missing pieces I consider vital makes me suspicious enough to not really care either way.

PavlovsCat 14y ago
WOW. For fucking shame.
- pyre 14y ago
  What's for shame? You're post boils down to: "What she did was wrong, but I don't know if he did something significantly less wrong to her, so I can't be bothered to care at all." or "Sure she murdered him, but the article doesn't tell us if he looked her the wrong way or not, so I can't be bothered to care about this murder."
  - PavlovsCat 14y ago
    That I got downmodded within minutes by some clown who didn't feel it necessary to, you know, peruse the keyboard. Couldn't help to notice how pathetic that is. And no, I simply think context and chronology matters. If I break into a house, does that justify the house owner strapping me down and torturing me for weeks? No, but it's a crucial detail. If you hurt someone who you think can't fight back, and then they do, that's a different story than a random attack out of nowhere.
    - pyre 14y ago
      It still doesn't justify the attack, so I fail to see how it is material. If you thought that (for example) breaking into someone's house justified weeks of torture, then the "breaking into someone's house" part would be relevant. If it doesn't than it's a detail with little importance. There may be some importance in a trial or at sentencing, but this is not a court, and you a not a judge holding sway over his ex-girlfriend's punishment/future.
      - PavlovsCat 14y ago
        "So I ran into this guy in a totally dark house, and before I know it I'm strapped to this chair"... what led to something does matter when evaluating sympathy or Schadenfreude. Which is what I actually said in my first post, "for me to care". I haven't been given enough information to get upset on behalf of this guy I never met -- sorry. And I actually don't think what interests me here would interest in court; so? None of us are judges, now that you mention it. So if there is no use in asking questions, what is the use of accepting it at face value? What, exactly, are we convening here for, as it were?
        pyre 14y ago
        | what led to something does matter when | evaluating sympathy or Schadenfreude Even though you say that breaking and entering doesn't justify weeks of torture, your other statements don't back that up. If you think that nothing deserves weeks of torture, then why do you even need that information to evaluate it (to care)?
    - illuminate 14y ago
      Your making up a fantasy situation is why you were downvoted by many people. It's unnecessary slander and the courts did not find any of it in reality. Victim shaming is pretty nasty. Are there cases where your scenario is true? Sure. Is there absolutely any evidence of this outside your fantasies? No. Someone "looks young" and you're still carrying on with this fantasy after you were informed that AS PER THE STORY she was a well-grown adult.
Avenger42 14y ago
Googling her name turns up a story in thestar.com.my stating that she's 28 and an MBA student.
- PavlovsCat 14y ago
  Thanks, that helps and kinda defuses my worries I had there. Still, props to the people to whom such questions didn't even occur, who jump straight on the "let's repeat what everybody said, and generalities about mean people we knew" bandwagon, and mod a skeptical question down because those, contrary to the circlejerking, "don't add anything to the discussion". That made me so proud, I threw up into my mouth a little.
illuminate 14y ago
"she looks like she could be rather young" I'm sure none of the courts ever looked into this when they acted against her. You should be a lawyer with your keen and striking insights that nobody has ever thought of before!
- PavlovsCat 14y ago
  What? I didn't say under age young, just young. And this has nothing to do with the law, at all, it has to do with my sympathy. It's perfectly legal to hump and dump a third world girl who nearly could be your daughter, and perfectly shitty. That doesn't mean this is what happened here, but we are simply not told WHAT actually did - just that "they separated", as if they did that as a single entity. She's just a psycho ex, that's all you lot here care about; who needs details, who ever saw men take advantage of young girls without technically doing anything wrong, right? Bah, weak, next.
  - illuminate 14y ago
    "I'm not implying he's a pedophile, I'm only implying that he takes advantage of young girls for sinister purposes" Oh, well in that case...
    - PavlovsCat 14y ago
      What the FUCK? You're either too young, too ugly, or too callous for you and me to have anything to discuss.
      - illuminate 14y ago
        My goodness, you're a piece of work. Do you usually call random people over the internet "too ugly" when they disagree with your opinions? I support the guy with the limited sets of information I have combined with the experiences of friends who've been stalked and had to file restraining orders and call the cops MANY TIMES against the persons "wronged" by them. I'm "callous" to unthinking devils' advocates who ignore all the details of any case so they can construct an alternate version of reality and then argue from that position. I care about victims, not you personally.

PavlovsCat 14y ago

WOW. For fucking shame.

pyre 14y ago
What's for shame? You're post boils down to: "What she did was wrong, but I don't know if he did something significantly less wrong to her, so I can't be bothered to care at all." or "Sure she murdered him, but the article doesn't tell us if he looked her the wrong way or not, so I can't be bothered to care about this murder."
- PavlovsCat 14y ago
  That I got downmodded within minutes by some clown who didn't feel it necessary to, you know, peruse the keyboard. Couldn't help to notice how pathetic that is. And no, I simply think context and chronology matters. If I break into a house, does that justify the house owner strapping me down and torturing me for weeks? No, but it's a crucial detail. If you hurt someone who you think can't fight back, and then they do, that's a different story than a random attack out of nowhere.
  - pyre 14y ago
    It still doesn't justify the attack, so I fail to see how it is material. If you thought that (for example) breaking into someone's house justified weeks of torture, then the "breaking into someone's house" part would be relevant. If it doesn't than it's a detail with little importance. There may be some importance in a trial or at sentencing, but this is not a court, and you a not a judge holding sway over his ex-girlfriend's punishment/future.
    - PavlovsCat 14y ago
      "So I ran into this guy in a totally dark house, and before I know it I'm strapped to this chair"... what led to something does matter when evaluating sympathy or Schadenfreude. Which is what I actually said in my first post, "for me to care". I haven't been given enough information to get upset on behalf of this guy I never met -- sorry. And I actually don't think what interests me here would interest in court; so? None of us are judges, now that you mention it. So if there is no use in asking questions, what is the use of accepting it at face value? What, exactly, are we convening here for, as it were?
      - pyre 14y ago
        | what led to something does matter when | evaluating sympathy or Schadenfreude Even though you say that breaking and entering doesn't justify weeks of torture, your other statements don't back that up. If you think that nothing deserves weeks of torture, then why do you even need that information to evaluate it (to care)?
  - illuminate 14y ago
    Your making up a fantasy situation is why you were downvoted by many people. It's unnecessary slander and the courts did not find any of it in reality. Victim shaming is pretty nasty. Are there cases where your scenario is true? Sure. Is there absolutely any evidence of this outside your fantasies? No. Someone "looks young" and you're still carrying on with this fantasy after you were informed that AS PER THE STORY she was a well-grown adult.

Avenger42 14y ago

Googling her name turns up a story in thestar.com.my stating that she's 28 and an MBA student.

PavlovsCat 14y ago
Thanks, that helps and kinda defuses my worries I had there. Still, props to the people to whom such questions didn't even occur, who jump straight on the "let's repeat what everybody said, and generalities about mean people we knew" bandwagon, and mod a skeptical question down because those, contrary to the circlejerking, "don't add anything to the discussion". That made me so proud, I threw up into my mouth a little.

illuminate 14y ago

"she looks like she could be rather young" I'm sure none of the courts ever looked into this when they acted against her. You should be a lawyer with your keen and striking insights that nobody has ever thought of before!

PavlovsCat 14y ago
What? I didn't say under age young, just young. And this has nothing to do with the law, at all, it has to do with my sympathy. It's perfectly legal to hump and dump a third world girl who nearly could be your daughter, and perfectly shitty. That doesn't mean this is what happened here, but we are simply not told WHAT actually did - just that "they separated", as if they did that as a single entity. She's just a psycho ex, that's all you lot here care about; who needs details, who ever saw men take advantage of young girls without technically doing anything wrong, right? Bah, weak, next.
- illuminate 14y ago
  "I'm not implying he's a pedophile, I'm only implying that he takes advantage of young girls for sinister purposes" Oh, well in that case...
  - PavlovsCat 14y ago
    What the FUCK? You're either too young, too ugly, or too callous for you and me to have anything to discuss.
    - illuminate 14y ago
      My goodness, you're a piece of work. Do you usually call random people over the internet "too ugly" when they disagree with your opinions? I support the guy with the limited sets of information I have combined with the experiences of friends who've been stalked and had to file restraining orders and call the cops MANY TIMES against the persons "wronged" by them. I'm "callous" to unthinking devils' advocates who ignore all the details of any case so they can construct an alternate version of reality and then argue from that position. I care about victims, not you personally.