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I'm a bit saddened that nearly ten years after we reached 3GHz, desktop clock speed increase has come to a halt. I know that FSB speeds are irrelevant now more

by kunai 13y ago

I'm a bit saddened that nearly ten years after we reached 3GHz, desktop clock speed increase has come to a halt. I know that FSB speeds are irrelevant now more than ever with multithreading and multi-core architectures, but the performance afforded by high-clock chips in high-demand areas, along with multi-core technology, it seems could be far greater than it is now. Especially with several 8GHz nodes, it seems like cheaper supercomputing could be more viable. Am I wrong, right, misguided, inaccurate, incorrect?

simonster 13y ago
Clock speed hasn't increased, but instructions per second per core has more than doubled over the last decade, and instructions per clock cycle per core continues to increase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second). Slower than Moore's law, but it's something.
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InclinedPlane 13y ago
There's a reason for that clock speed stall and it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Billions have been thrown at the problem. It's just a fundamental limit of transistor design and heat dissipation. If it were possible to manufacture 8ghz cpus that could run reliably for years they'd be on the market.
Hytosys 13y ago
This cap also has to do with physical limitations of signal propagation times and the limitation of memory as we know it today. Even if external memory wasn't the bottleneck annihilating the purpose of a faster clock, internal registers need a certain time to retain electricity. Silicon is only so speedy! More compact architecture (1nm dies would be nice, right?) could allow for quicker propagation times and thus faster clock speeds.
tjr 13y ago
I kind of like that my 3-year-old laptop doesn't seem like an ancient, sluggish piece of junk compared to the current models...
shawnz 13y ago
> I know that FSB speeds are irrelevant now more than ever with multithreading and multi-core architectures Clock speeds have been irrelevant ever since there has been more than one architecture for the same instruction set. You cannot compare a 3GHz i7 with a 3GHz Pentium 4 of equal core count and say that, just because the clock is ticking at the same speed, Intel isn't doing enough to improve performance. There would be a vast effective difference in just about every kind of workload, just due to architecture improvements.
- marblar 13y ago
  What can I read to learn more about the difference?
  - bingaling 13y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBurst_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBurst_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge

by kunai 13y ago

simonster 13y ago

Clock speed hasn't increased, but instructions per second per core has more than doubled over the last decade, and instructions per clock cycle per core continues to increase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second). Slower than Moore's law, but it's something.

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InclinedPlane 13y ago

There's a reason for that clock speed stall and it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Billions have been thrown at the problem. It's just a fundamental limit of transistor design and heat dissipation. If it were possible to manufacture 8ghz cpus that could run reliably for years they'd be on the market.

Hytosys 13y ago

This cap also has to do with physical limitations of signal propagation times and the limitation of memory as we know it today. Even if external memory wasn't the bottleneck annihilating the purpose of a faster clock, internal registers need a certain time to retain electricity. Silicon is only so speedy! More compact architecture (1nm dies would be nice, right?) could allow for quicker propagation times and thus faster clock speeds.

tjr 13y ago

I kind of like that my 3-year-old laptop doesn't seem like an ancient, sluggish piece of junk compared to the current models...

shawnz 13y ago

> I know that FSB speeds are irrelevant now more than ever with multithreading and multi-core architectures Clock speeds have been irrelevant ever since there has been more than one architecture for the same instruction set. You cannot compare a 3GHz i7 with a 3GHz Pentium 4 of equal core count and say that, just because the clock is ticking at the same speed, Intel isn't doing enough to improve performance. There would be a vast effective difference in just about every kind of workload, just due to architecture improvements.

marblar 13y ago
What can I read to learn more about the difference?
- bingaling 13y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBurst_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBurst_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge