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The Kleck number of 2.5m is based on a phone survey of 5000 Americans from 1992. In other words, it has no scientific value. Haha, strangled with her own panty

The Kleck number of 2.5m is based on a phone survey of 5000 Americans from 1992. In other words, it has no scientific value. Haha, strangled with her own panty hose huh? Listen, I don't know what gun people get off to, but alley-way rape occurs about as frequently as mass shootings. Almost all sexual assaults are perpetrated by known acquaintances of the victim. Adding a gun to the mix is only going to make things worse. And you are being a bit disingenuous. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are males. It is 100% an image thing, just like driving a big truck or getting a "badass" tattoo. All I'm saying is, if you don't think corporations are above profiting hugely off of hysteria and fear, you've never watched the nightly news.

hga 13y ago
If phone surveys are "of no scientific value", you ought to tell the Department of Justice they're wasting taxpayer money: http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245 http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245 According to Wikipedia according to the Department of Justice, 26% of rapes are by strangers, which doesn't fit my definition of the inverse of "almost all". And while most guns may be technically owned by men, that hardly matters if they're available for the women in the household to use in self-defense. And again with the profit; can you not understand that the vast majority of us just don't give a damn that the firearms industry makes a healthy profit? This is an argument that has weight with gun grabbers, not gun owners.
- reader5000 13y ago
  You still don't understand what I'm saying. You live in some fantasy world where girls get raped in alleyways and you're apparently the self-appointed gun-toting White Knight here to save her. This is the fantasy that you have bought into, and pay hundreds of dollars per year to gun corps to sustain. Anyway, convo done.
  - hga 13y ago
    No, the legal consequences of a defense case are potentially so dire I'd walk right past the alley. As ... Massad Ayoob, I think, put it, we're talking about the equivalent of visiting the hospital, noticing a complete stranger who needs a lot of money for treatment, and writing a check for $250,000 plus or minus and putting it in his pocket. I'm only willing to do it for "me and mine", i.e. my friends and blood relatives, especially since I don't have the sort of money that's required for a competent defense against a serious felony charge, no matter how bogus it might be. And you might want to re-read the above, an ideal, if it comes to it, is "a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound" (better if the attacker is not killed), not a Good Samaritan explaining. We're all ultimately responsible for our own self-protection.

hga 13y ago

If phone surveys are "of no scientific value", you ought to tell the Department of Justice they're wasting taxpayer money: http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245 http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245 According to Wikipedia according to the Department of Justice, 26% of rapes are by strangers, which doesn't fit my definition of the inverse of "almost all". And while most guns may be technically owned by men, that hardly matters if they're available for the women in the household to use in self-defense. And again with the profit; can you not understand that the vast majority of us just don't give a damn that the firearms industry makes a healthy profit? This is an argument that has weight with gun grabbers, not gun owners.

reader5000 13y ago
You still don't understand what I'm saying. You live in some fantasy world where girls get raped in alleyways and you're apparently the self-appointed gun-toting White Knight here to save her. This is the fantasy that you have bought into, and pay hundreds of dollars per year to gun corps to sustain. Anyway, convo done.
- hga 13y ago
  No, the legal consequences of a defense case are potentially so dire I'd walk right past the alley. As ... Massad Ayoob, I think, put it, we're talking about the equivalent of visiting the hospital, noticing a complete stranger who needs a lot of money for treatment, and writing a check for $250,000 plus or minus and putting it in his pocket. I'm only willing to do it for "me and mine", i.e. my friends and blood relatives, especially since I don't have the sort of money that's required for a competent defense against a serious felony charge, no matter how bogus it might be. And you might want to re-read the above, an ideal, if it comes to it, is "a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound" (better if the attacker is not killed), not a Good Samaritan explaining. We're all ultimately responsible for our own self-protection.