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Is there still debian testing, or are you calling 'wheezy' as testing? Just wondering I thought the way it was supposed to work was, when testing gets re-tagg

by yebyen 14y ago

Is there still debian testing, or are you calling 'wheezy' as testing? Just wondering I thought the way it was supposed to work was, when testing gets re-tagged as stable, there's no 'testing' for a brief period (month?) until the next planned distro release is named.

subway 14y ago
Wheezy was testing until this past Saturday, at which point Wheezy became stable and Jessie was cut as testing.
emillon 14y ago
This is not how it works. The next release name is announced approximately when the freeze starts. When a release happens, oldstable is archived, stable become the new oldstable, and the current state of testing becomes the new stable. For a moment of time (we're talking hours), testing and stable have the same set of packages. Britney, the software which migrates packages from unstable to testing, runs four times a day. During a freeze, it is configured to need "unblock exceptions" to migrate packages. When this is option is disabled, the following britney run will make the first difference between testing and stable.
gcb0 14y ago
wheezy is a version alias for v7. testing is testing. it points to the version that is on testing, be it 7-wheezy, or 8-whatever. the only exception to the rule is 'sid'. debian sid is always the bleeding edge, it never becomes a proper version. btw, i hate every versioning alias scheme that does not force the number to appear. such as debian, ubuntu, android... it's all just idiotic.
- hythloday 14y ago
  Why is a number more useful than how Ubuntu or Android do things?
  - cookiecaper 14y ago
    Because it conveys relevant information. If you were on version 7 and the new version is version 13, a message is conveyed that there have been several major iterations since your last upgrade. Numerical versioning schemes (in general) make it simple to know if you're on a current version, and if not, how far off you are. Now consider trying to make similar determinations if you know you're running "Gingerbread" but the latest version is "Jelly Bean", or if you're on "Intrepid Ibex" and the latest version is "Raring Ringtail". It's even worse on Ubuntu, where they've chosen a reasonable, useful numerical versioning system (year.month), but then obscure it with stupid codenames. IMO it's also much more difficult to remember the codenames. I had to verify that Android 4.2 was still called Jelly Bean and though I knew the latest Ubuntu was 13.04, I had to look up its codename altogether. The fact that these projects continue to have underlying "developer use only"-type numerical versions only further emphasizes the utility of these. The codenames feel like a poorly-conceived marketing thing. I don't think most people have trouble remembering a coupled software package with a version number, like "Windows 7". I don't think they often say, "Oh crap, I know I had version 4 of something ... was it Android or Windows?"
    - dhimes 14y ago
      I can't upvote this enough. At least put the cutsie name in the goddamn uname -a result. Drives me bonkers having to look that shit up.
      - discodave 14y ago
        lsb_release -a is what you want.
        dhimes 14y ago
        Thank you very very much. But I still think that it should be in uname -a. I have never heard of lsb_release... and I'm not new to the stuff. If they really wanted to improve UI, it would also be in the 'system settings' link under the username on the desktop panel- for users that run desktops.
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by yebyen 14y ago

subway 14y ago

Wheezy was testing until this past Saturday, at which point Wheezy became stable and Jessie was cut as testing.

emillon 14y ago

This is not how it works. The next release name is announced approximately when the freeze starts. When a release happens, oldstable is archived, stable become the new oldstable, and the current state of testing becomes the new stable. For a moment of time (we're talking hours), testing and stable have the same set of packages. Britney, the software which migrates packages from unstable to testing, runs four times a day. During a freeze, it is configured to need "unblock exceptions" to migrate packages. When this is option is disabled, the following britney run will make the first difference between testing and stable.

gcb0 14y ago

wheezy is a version alias for v7. testing is testing. it points to the version that is on testing, be it 7-wheezy, or 8-whatever. the only exception to the rule is 'sid'. debian sid is always the bleeding edge, it never becomes a proper version. btw, i hate every versioning alias scheme that does not force the number to appear. such as debian, ubuntu, android... it's all just idiotic.

hythloday 14y ago
Why is a number more useful than how Ubuntu or Android do things?
- cookiecaper 14y ago
  Because it conveys relevant information. If you were on version 7 and the new version is version 13, a message is conveyed that there have been several major iterations since your last upgrade. Numerical versioning schemes (in general) make it simple to know if you're on a current version, and if not, how far off you are. Now consider trying to make similar determinations if you know you're running "Gingerbread" but the latest version is "Jelly Bean", or if you're on "Intrepid Ibex" and the latest version is "Raring Ringtail". It's even worse on Ubuntu, where they've chosen a reasonable, useful numerical versioning system (year.month), but then obscure it with stupid codenames. IMO it's also much more difficult to remember the codenames. I had to verify that Android 4.2 was still called Jelly Bean and though I knew the latest Ubuntu was 13.04, I had to look up its codename altogether. The fact that these projects continue to have underlying "developer use only"-type numerical versions only further emphasizes the utility of these. The codenames feel like a poorly-conceived marketing thing. I don't think most people have trouble remembering a coupled software package with a version number, like "Windows 7". I don't think they often say, "Oh crap, I know I had version 4 of something ... was it Android or Windows?"
  - dhimes 14y ago
    I can't upvote this enough. At least put the cutsie name in the goddamn uname -a result. Drives me bonkers having to look that shit up.
    - discodave 14y ago
      lsb_release -a is what you want.
      - dhimes 14y ago
        Thank you very very much. But I still think that it should be in uname -a. I have never heard of lsb_release... and I'm not new to the stuff. If they really wanted to improve UI, it would also be in the 'system settings' link under the username on the desktop panel- for users that run desktops.
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