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I'm a bit confused that they kept Dreamweaver but killed off Fireworks. No web designer I know even uses Dreamweaver anymore, but plenty of people still use Fi

by kunai 13y ago

I'm a bit confused that they kept Dreamweaver but killed off Fireworks. No web designer I know even uses Dreamweaver anymore, but plenty of people still use Fireworks. Odd decision by Adobe here.

veritas20 13y ago
I'm sure that more cuts are on the way. Having a breadth of products works well for software that's distributed in a non-SaaS model. Now, that they have embraced a subscription model, expect narrowing the product suite.
- kunai 13y ago
  It's sad that so many software companies think it's a good idea to sell a "service" and not a tangible copy of bits and bytes. It's less hassle to buy CS6 once and be done with it and upgrade when you want to, rather than keep renewing subscriptions and be faced with product changes you may not necessarily like or want.
  - as_if 13y ago
    That's the trick. You get the people to pay for all eternity ;)
  - taude 13y ago
    I had CS5 Production Suite for Windows. I had to change my editing rig to OS X but at the time CS 6 had already come out and Adobe only was doing the OS-switching on the current version of the release of their software. So, they got me, and I had to do the creative cloud for $70/month (I didn't want to commit for the year). I'm now waiting for the Final Cut Pro X/Motion to go on sale again, and wil be paying a one time fee of $250-$350 for Apple's editing solution. (I'm hoping I can get by on FCP, since the price is definitely appealing). So, it might be "less hassle" or not...but it's definitely better for predictable revenues selling a monthly/yearly subscription, especially with the lack of tangible competition for some of the products.
harrisonweber 13y ago
I agree. I'm sure Dreamweaver has its set of dedicated, erm, beginner users, but the Edge family was essentially created to replace Dreamweaver.
brianmckenzie 13y ago
Many Coldfusion developers use it, can't imagine many others do but perhaps I'm wrong.
- jere 13y ago
  Anecdote here: I'm a CF dev (shudder, I know) and everyone on my team hates Dreamweaver. In fact, Adobe has an IDE called ColdFusion Builder (we don't use it though), so I have no idea who still uses Dreamweaver: http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html
  - columbo 13y ago
    I did CF over a decade ago, I remember this: http://nowostey.net/uploads/posts/2010-01/1264151016_84f0bc9d3f6d.jpg http://nowostey.net/uploads/posts/2010-01/1264151016_84f0bc9... was one of the first things that I really liked that was killed by the Allaire -> Macromedia -> Adobe mergers. I'm not sure if I can blame adobe for that as Macromedia just left it to die.
    - prawn 13y ago
      I used to love CF Studio (the CF version of Homesite) and only gave it up 12 months ago. I was using a version that hadn't been updated for perhaps a decade or more. Couldn't get used to anything else I tried. (Now using Sublime Text with the colour scheme tweaked to mimic CF Studio...)
EnderMB 13y ago
You'd be very surprised at how widely it is still used, especially in schools, colleges, and universities. I know for a fact that my old college still teaches "Web Design" with Dreamweaver (even though coding is nothing to do with design). I moderate a fairly popular Web Design/Development forum, and it's shocking how many people still post about Dreamweaver, especially users from India and Eastern Europe.

by kunai 13y ago

I'm a bit confused that they kept Dreamweaver but killed off Fireworks. No web designer I know even uses Dreamweaver anymore, but plenty of people still use Fireworks. Odd decision by Adobe here.

veritas20 13y ago

I'm sure that more cuts are on the way. Having a breadth of products works well for software that's distributed in a non-SaaS model. Now, that they have embraced a subscription model, expect narrowing the product suite.

kunai 13y ago
It's sad that so many software companies think it's a good idea to sell a "service" and not a tangible copy of bits and bytes. It's less hassle to buy CS6 once and be done with it and upgrade when you want to, rather than keep renewing subscriptions and be faced with product changes you may not necessarily like or want.
- as_if 13y ago
  That's the trick. You get the people to pay for all eternity ;)
- taude 13y ago
  I had CS5 Production Suite for Windows. I had to change my editing rig to OS X but at the time CS 6 had already come out and Adobe only was doing the OS-switching on the current version of the release of their software. So, they got me, and I had to do the creative cloud for $70/month (I didn't want to commit for the year). I'm now waiting for the Final Cut Pro X/Motion to go on sale again, and wil be paying a one time fee of $250-$350 for Apple's editing solution. (I'm hoping I can get by on FCP, since the price is definitely appealing). So, it might be "less hassle" or not...but it's definitely better for predictable revenues selling a monthly/yearly subscription, especially with the lack of tangible competition for some of the products.

harrisonweber 13y ago

I agree. I'm sure Dreamweaver has its set of dedicated, erm, beginner users, but the Edge family was essentially created to replace Dreamweaver.

brianmckenzie 13y ago

Many Coldfusion developers use it, can't imagine many others do but perhaps I'm wrong.

jere 13y ago
Anecdote here: I'm a CF dev (shudder, I know) and everyone on my team hates Dreamweaver. In fact, Adobe has an IDE called ColdFusion Builder (we don't use it though), so I have no idea who still uses Dreamweaver: http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html
- columbo 13y ago
  I did CF over a decade ago, I remember this: http://nowostey.net/uploads/posts/2010-01/1264151016_84f0bc9d3f6d.jpg http://nowostey.net/uploads/posts/2010-01/1264151016_84f0bc9... was one of the first things that I really liked that was killed by the Allaire -> Macromedia -> Adobe mergers. I'm not sure if I can blame adobe for that as Macromedia just left it to die.
  - prawn 13y ago
    I used to love CF Studio (the CF version of Homesite) and only gave it up 12 months ago. I was using a version that hadn't been updated for perhaps a decade or more. Couldn't get used to anything else I tried. (Now using Sublime Text with the colour scheme tweaked to mimic CF Studio...)

EnderMB 13y ago

You'd be very surprised at how widely it is still used, especially in schools, colleges, and universities. I know for a fact that my old college still teaches "Web Design" with Dreamweaver (even though coding is nothing to do with design). I moderate a fairly popular Web Design/Development forum, and it's shocking how many people still post about Dreamweaver, especially users from India and Eastern Europe.