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Running a startup I've gone through this exact same thought process. My high level bullet points are: 1) It's insane that any business should spend so many cycl
by jusben1369 14y ago
Running a startup I've gone through this exact same thought process. My high level bullet points are:
1) It's insane that any business should spend so many cycles on managing this. I would have thought Republicans (pro business) might be more open to a state role in healthcare precisely so business's don't have to manage this burden.
2) Somebody who is 35 or 40 with children fully burdened is around $1200 a month or $14,000 per year. Someone who is 25 and single is $200. You think that differential never goes through our minds when assessing candidate and how much we'll pay them? That totally sucks but is a reality.
3) The wealthiest and most likely to vote Americans get their health insurance via their company. So they're entirely immune to the dysfunctional system. If ALL Americans were procuring health insurance in the private marketplace there'd be a much better system. Much less abuse. If the government (like EU/AUS) was the sole customer there would be a much better system. It's this mixture of employers, too small in aggregate to manage the demand side, + smaller individuals buying it on their own, that drives the spiraling costs here.
4) Having a startup provide your health insurance is really dumb. Startups have a much higher % chance of closing their doors. So one day you get laid off because your startup doesn't make it. Guess what, now you have to go and find a new job AND work out what you're COBRA options are. In the broader context, most people who get laid off in the US lose their job AND now have a $1000 or more (if they're family provider) costs layered on as they now have to start paying for healthcare. Like losing a war you didn't start then being forced to pay repatriation costs when your economy is at its weakest.
Politically, I think we're more likely to get universal healthcare via the state through than to ever get all employers to stop offering it and put everyone into the marketplace. So I support these efforts because the current blend is the worst.
(PS right now we're paying full costs because we lean toward hiring more mature people (read families) who understand what it would cost them in the marketplace to get it so they can balance it against their overall lowered financial compensation.)
- wnight 14y agoThrow in on-site daycare and you'll have a very attractive deal. Did you find insurance that the employees can keep at the same rate even if the company folds or they're terminated? I heard someone talking about your problem #4 and how they'd helped a bit by at least keeping anyone from having ballooning costs.
- justin66 14y ago> It's insane that any business should spend so many cycles on managing this. I would have thought Republicans (pro business) might be more open to a state role in healthcare precisely so business's don't have to manage this burden. Two things to keep in mind, with this and a lot of other issues: - The cycles spent handling it aren't a big deal to large corporations. - The idea that small-business interests and large corporate business interests are one and the same is one of the Big Lies of the Republican party.
- jusben1369 14y agoHey Justin66. Not true at all! Large corporations have to grapple with this and spend a fortune managing health care for employees. The interesting question is what % more might they pay in payroll type tax to move this onto the state.
- justin66 14y agoConsider the comparative overhead of dealing with this as a percentage of income (or percentage of attention demanded of management, or any number of things) and you'll see what I mean. The issue isn't whether large businesses spend a "fortune" on health care, the point is that their political incentives are entirely different than those of small businesses because the effect providing health care to employees has on their business is so entirely different.
- jusben1369 14y agoHey Justin. All you're doing is pointing out that it scales better as they get larger. Imagine how much time and effort a company with 100,000 employees spends on optimizing and managing health care. Now compare that against their non American competitor who doesn't have any of this time/cost/concern/overhead. That's why I think irrespective of size businesses would want this off their plate.