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YouPorn is hiring. Apparently it's powered by Perl/Catalyst
- ScottWhigham 18y agoAmong other things, there's just something about submitting a resume to "jobs@youporn.com" that smacks of desperation
- allenbrunson 18y agoeh. i'd say attitudes such as this one is what perpetuates the problem of porn being an unpleasant ghetto. if it were allowed to be respectable, it could clean up its act.
- gcheong 18y agoI thought you gain respect by cleaning up your act, but in any case I think porn has become much more accepted over the years.
- allenbrunson 18y agoi'd say that's fairly impossible for porn producers to do right now. there's a huge negative stigma attached. that encourages people to use pseudonyms in the industry, which fosters an environment of secrecy, which leads to deception, etc. if people could work in porn without besmirching their reputations forever, THEN the industry could start cleaning up its act.
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- smokinn 18y agoWhile I will definitely concede that there are porn companies that are "ghetto", (the AdultFriendFinder/Penthouse discrimination debacle comes to mind: http://gawker.com/373445/fired-employee-plots-discrimination-lawsuit-against-penthouse-site http://gawker.com/373445/fired-employee-plots-discrimination... ) most large mainstream porn companies are actually very professional. I have friends that work at one of the largest and it's the most professional environment I've ever seen. Everyone is hard at work, slackers aren't tolerated and they have a constant drive to do things faster, better, more efficiently. Competition in porn is fierce, especially at the top. To stay at the top you need to work hard constantly because everyone else is as well.
- allenbrunson 18y agolet's say i was looking for a new text editor for my mac. i could type the appropriate terms into a search box, find myself presented with several good alternatives, and buy something in a matter of minutes. now let's say i try that same experiment with porn. i have a specific type of thing in mind, type the necessary search terms, and quickly find myself drowning in unsavory-looking link farms, deceptive advertising, phishing and spyware attempts, and skeevy-looking pages that make me never want to contemplate sex again for the rest of my life. this is why i say that porn is "ghetto." i'm sure there are hard-working companies in the industry. but if this is the state of the art, those reputable purveyors are quickly going to get pulled down to everybody else's level.
- mpc 18y agoDesperation? I can understand not applying because you're morally apposed to pron or something, but if you look past the video content it's actually a pretty interesting gig for web hackers. millions of page views, tons of data and metrics to track... damn, it has more interesting problems than most startups.
- staunch 18y agoThis has been known for quite some time. > ...hundreds of millions of pageviews per day. So, is YouPorn the largest site run by Catalyst, Rails, or Django?
- pmikal 18y agoIf you are talking frameworks, Amazon is HTML::Mason and is bigger than YouPorn... at least for now. ;) http://siteanalytics.compete.com/youporn.com+amazon.com/ http://siteanalytics.compete.com/youporn.com+amazon.com/
- diegok 18y agoTrue, but you can also use HTML::Mason as a Catalyst View ;) http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Catalyst-View-Mason-0.17/ http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Catalyst-View-Mason-0.17/
- pxlpshr 18y agoI've been a designer for most of my early career, and I've always had a policy against doing adult-industry work. I understand the legitimacy of the industry, the human nature element, and I've heard the arguments in regard to the benefits of giving people an outlet and preventing sexual crimes... However, as ScottWhigham mentioned (and IMHO of course) there's something desperate about working on porn, and it's not something most businesses want to see in a portfolio. EVER. Therefore, you're just collecting a paycheck UNLESS you're committing to porn industry as a career (more power to you, no judgement here). Furthermore, I think my greater concern is not knowing where some of the porn originates from in regard to under age victims, etc... and that just bothers the heck out of me.
- allenbrunson 18y agoi agree that having porn work on your resume can be the kiss of death. as long as i need the help of the straight world to get ahead, i won't go near it. but. "desperate?" no, i don't agree with that. saying that working for a porn company is an act of desperation is part of a self-perpetuating cycle that keeps porn ghetto-ized.
- pxlpshr 18y agoFair enough and it's mostly a personal feeling as I definitely hold no judgement over people that want to work in the industry. YouPorn is obviously an impressive engineering feat, no doubt about it, and very legit service. :) Interesting tid-bit I learned from friends that have worked in the industry: supposedly most industry execs are in fact women running the show.
- SystemOut 18y agoI haven't seen that many women execs at the trade shows to be honest. I know there are a lot of producers that are women and many of the agents for the performers are women / former performers but most of the web companies seem to still have mostly men running the companies. I am not surprised since there is more "tech" or computers/software involved and that is still largely a male dominated field. That being said, there are a lot more women than one would expect working in the industry. And by that I mean, not in front of the camera.
- huherto 18y ago"How we operate: - Startup type environment with a geographically diversed team (UK, Australia, Argentina, Brazil...) - Company is committed to building a trusted site and pristine user experience - Projects are bite-sized (1-3 weeks to complete) - Small team. Your work will make a big impact on the site. - No bureaucracy. Decisions are made quickly - We use data extensively to make decisions " They seem to have better practices than most businesses.
- run4yourlives 18y agoWell, they have a better business than most businesses, so it stands to reason, no?
- benhoyt 18y agoI honestly don't understand how treating women as unclad ogleables is a good business practice.
- PostOnce 18y agoOgling women is part of the nature of being a man; if we glance or stare at a woman's ass in the grocery store without her consent or knowledge, which we all do, is that somehow better than if she were a paid and willing professional porn star? $500 for an hour worth of work at entry level with no experience is pretty fair. Also, btw, they have gay porn on youporn, so they're equal opportunity, they're not just exploiting women.
- benhoyt 18y agoGlancing at someone's behind in the supermarket is qualitatively different from porn. As far staring at buttocks goes, you're right that we've all done it, but does that make it a Good Thing? Anyway, not sure if this is OT or not, so I'll stop here. :-)
- jonknee 18y agoI'm waiting for the analyst report to come out saying they are losing hundreds of millions of dollars a year.
- mattmaroon 18y agoI doubt they're losing money. Porn affiliate links make big bucks. Don't ask me how (who pays for anything on the internet?) but they do. I used to regularly speak with some people at a financial company that processes most of the payments from porn sites to their affiliates. After Neteller (the massive processor of financial transactions to/from gambling sites) withdrew from the US market due to the UIGEA, the company I knew took a good chunk of their business and was probably the industry's largest third party payment processor, easily handling 10-20% of all transactions. But when the lawsuits started flying at other gaming companies, they dropped that line of business instantly because they didn't want to lose their US porn affiliate processing business. It was considerably larger. Much of the reason is that porn sites have high retention, high prices ($35-$40/mo is not uncommon) and pay their affiliates ridiculous rev share like 80% for the large ones. So an affiliate who refers a successful customer could easily make $20-$30/mo for a year or two off him. That's just a tremendous amount of cash. Until I was told that, I believed gambling would rule the internet.
- axod 18y agoAgreed. The revenue share in gambling and porn sites is just phenomenal. I used to send some traffic to a Bingo website, and I think you got £25 per signup, but then 50% of all future losses for the lifetime of that player. After only a couple of months that revenue share (%loss) was making up hundreds of £/month for doing nothing. I'm sure it's pretty similar for paid porn sites. They'd have to be doing something seriously wrong to be losing money in that sector.
- mattmaroon 18y agoYeah, I've done a LOT of poker affiliate marketing. There's tremendous money there. Interestingly though gambling sites still only pay, at best, about half the rev share I've heard porn sites pay their top affiliates. I was one of a few poker sites' largest (generating them hundreds of thousands in rev monthly) and got somewhere between 35 and 40 percent typically. From what I heard from my friends in the financial industry, in porn you can get 85% if you're large enough. It's baffling to me that a company that serves up web video can make serious profits even while giving 85% of their revenue away.
- rjurney 18y agoFramework groupie disclaimer. Catalyst is so great. With Catalyst 5.8 I get Moosey controllers, which means my Perl 5 doesn't have to suck anymore because I can use Moose objects. Someone finally took a look at the framework developments in Ruby and Python and brought sanity to web development in Perl. If it weren't for Catalyst, I'd have bailed from Perl a long time ago. It lets you build web apps that don't suck. Catalyst is 'unopinionated', it just gives you a minimal framework for building MVC web apps, with plugins to accomplish common tasks. Catalyst doesn't care what view or model you use. It is totally view/model agnostic. There are several good options for ORMs to databases, but its trivial to write a model wrapper around whatever you want. I wrote one for SimpleDB very easily. While there are better options for doing Simple CRUD, Catalyst is quite good at building more complex web apps, and it lets me leverage the CPAN, the world's largest module repository, to get things done faster. I love Catalyst. I won't bother trying to convince anyone that its the BEST web app framework, but I will say that its good enough to make Perl an option for new projects again.
- bprater 18y agoEven though I haven't used Perl in years, it still has a special place in my heart. Based on your enthusiasm of Catalyst, I may give it a whirl in the next six months.
- rjurney 18y agoGlad to hear it! :) In that case, check out: http://www.catalystframework.org/ http://www.catalystframework.org/ http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/Moose-0.74/lib/Moose.pm http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/Moose-0.74/lib/Moose.pm
- cloud9s 18y agoPorn is recession proof, Stability in this economy is key
- tewks 18y agoAu contraire. http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/07/turns-out-por-1.html http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/07/turns-out-por-1.html
- ivankirigin 18y agoDid you read the first paragraph? ...they're also competing with a nearly infinite supply of free, amateur videos from countless user-generated sites e.g. youporn.com Consumption of porn is recession proof. The business of professional porn generation is not. Like other produced content, it is suffering from democratized tools of generation and dissemination.
- mw5300 18y agoExcept youporn doesn't exactly have the most solid business model, as the article states. You might still be out of a job.
- SystemOut 18y agoIt might be recession resistant but many of the mainstream porn companies are having trouble right now because of increased competition and also because of the huge amount of free content that can be found on the web via these tube sites.
- biohacker42 18y agoIf youtube is losing money, what's youporn's plan for being profitable?
- bbuffone 18y agoPorn
- SystemOut 18y agoYouporn makes money via affiliate programs with VideoBox, AdultFriendFinder, a live cams producer and then other general traffic programs with various adult companies. I have no idea if they're profitable or not, though. I suspect that you'll see a gradual drop-off in the number of adult tube sites because there are only so many affiliate programs around and if the conversion rates continue to drop, especially for mainstrain porn they just won't have enough money to pay their server and bandwidth costs and still make enough money to survive. Some of them have hybrid business models, some just host blatant pirated content, some are trying to do things right...it's a real mix out there.
- kwamenum86 18y agoThey say porn is recession proof...
- bbuffone 18y agoDon't need the employee discount... It's all free.
- adammarkey 18y agoYeah and because they are a "virtual" office, where do they put the ping pong table? What are they going to do to pass the time!? Oh wait...
- bbuffone 18y agoRead the stories
- Cowboy 18y agoIt's interesting how a porn company can taint your resume, even though the job itself is not about porn, but web development for the Alexa ranked 48th site globally. Society has a nasty habit of grossly overreacting to things that are "in bad taste" by calling names and condemning them, as long as it's politically correct and trendy to do so. Porn at least doesn't claim to be something it's not. Would you really think less of someone who took a technical web job with youporn, when there are sites like eharmony out there? i.e. how many people go to youporn and say "what a horrible site, experience, and waste of money" compared to Eharmony?
- rejoyy 18y agoHalleluiah! Two of my favorite things: Porn and Perl!
- rejoyy 18y agoHalleliuah! Two of my favorite things: Porn and Perl!