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> Tricking people for profit is the definition of fraud. This would make 90% of all applications/websites fraud. Most free(gratis) Windows software tricks you

by Proleps 13y ago

> Tricking people for profit is the definition of fraud. This would make 90% of all applications/websites fraud. Most free(gratis) Windows software tricks you into installing spyware & toolbars. Almost every app on your phone tricks you into giving away personal data. Almost every website tricks you into being tracked across multiple websites.

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rwmj 13y ago
Putting people in prison for doing this stuff sounds fine to me.
unreal37 13y ago
90%? Are you sure you're not exaggerating that a little bit? Yes, tricking people for profit IS fraud. Tracking you across the web like Adsense does is NOT fraud. The act of stealing someone's contact list like Path does is NOT fraud either (but may be a different crime). And very very little of web sites or applications engage in fraud. The world does a pretty good job of blocking these things, the way Chrome won't even let you go to a web site that has been known to deliver viruses. And yes the FBI should arrest these people.
- clicks 13y ago
  I don't think that's an outrageous exaggeration. http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/01/31/is-google-intentionally-trying-to-minimize-the-fact-that-these-are-ads/ http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/01/31/is-google-intentional... But going beyond that, even when differences are not subtle as in that blog post you still have a large swath of people who won't be able to distinguish ads from non-ads. Just go in the heart of a large city and observe the web-surfing habits of some regular Joe Shmoe and you'll be pretty astounded with his ad-detection heuristics. Large internet companies know and understand this very well, and indeed design their products as such. Heck, when I'm designing webapps I do this too, I guess I'm just cognizant about what actually I'm doing.
tptacek 13y ago
He didn't make that up; he just summarized it. The elements of fraud are (a) a false statement, (b) intentionally made, of (c) a material fact that (d) someone reasonably relied on and (e) was injured (usually, financially) by. In other words, "tricking people for profit" is fraud. The Internet did not obsolete the crime of fraud.

by Proleps 13y ago

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rwmj 13y ago

Putting people in prison for doing this stuff sounds fine to me.

unreal37 13y ago

90%? Are you sure you're not exaggerating that a little bit? Yes, tricking people for profit IS fraud. Tracking you across the web like Adsense does is NOT fraud. The act of stealing someone's contact list like Path does is NOT fraud either (but may be a different crime). And very very little of web sites or applications engage in fraud. The world does a pretty good job of blocking these things, the way Chrome won't even let you go to a web site that has been known to deliver viruses. And yes the FBI should arrest these people.

clicks 13y ago
I don't think that's an outrageous exaggeration. http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/01/31/is-google-intentionally-trying-to-minimize-the-fact-that-these-are-ads/ http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/01/31/is-google-intentional... But going beyond that, even when differences are not subtle as in that blog post you still have a large swath of people who won't be able to distinguish ads from non-ads. Just go in the heart of a large city and observe the web-surfing habits of some regular Joe Shmoe and you'll be pretty astounded with his ad-detection heuristics. Large internet companies know and understand this very well, and indeed design their products as such. Heck, when I'm designing webapps I do this too, I guess I'm just cognizant about what actually I'm doing.

tptacek 13y ago

He didn't make that up; he just summarized it. The elements of fraud are (a) a false statement, (b) intentionally made, of (c) a material fact that (d) someone reasonably relied on and (e) was injured (usually, financially) by. In other words, "tricking people for profit" is fraud. The Internet did not obsolete the crime of fraud.