True. There are also some ingenious "solutions" out there - like my DECT phone for example. The interface takes time and date (with NO year field) in one menu,

True. There are also some ingenious "solutions" out there - like my DECT phone for example. The interface takes time and date (with NO year field) in one menu, and day-of-week in a different menu on the base station... (if it's got a look-up table somewhere and is calculating epoch-second timestamps from this I will ritually burn it.)