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Badly written article, lacking improtant facts and misrepresenting things (e.g. there is not just Telekom in Germany...) just to finally go all alarmist. :/

by EvaK_de 13y ago

sgift 13y ago
In many regions there is only the Telekom. Germany is not only Munich, Koeln, Berlin, Hamburg and Frankfurt. Many of my friends who do not live in a city have exactly the "choice" between Telekom or nothing.
- mars 13y ago
  Thats not correct as other providers are leasing the infrastructure from DT. So you have a choice almost everywhere.
  - mars 13y ago
    and cable is also available almost everywhere.
    - sgift 13y ago
      Almost anywhere besides my place of living (which happens to be Munich, but we have alternatives here) or big parts of eastern Germany (where friends of mine live) or various rural parts of Bavaria (where parts of my family live) and so on.
darklajid 13y ago
Agreed. The article's a rant with little content (the Telekom 'no flatrates anymore' move IS crap, but only mentioned once). There are usually good options available and usually you're up and running quite fast. I can recommend NetCologne (local, dsl/fiber), UnityMedia (cable) and 1&1 (Vodafone reseller) as providers of very nice, very dumb pipes. The author obviously is frustrated and annoyed. That's okay, it happens. A rant might even help. But I wonder why that ends up on this site here: The internet in Germany isn't going away and is, frankly, quite usable and widely available.
- grobmeier 13y ago
  If you are limited to a specific download volume, then it's not really a flat rate, right? In my region are zero options, as the telekom refuses to give out lines (see article) Widely available - i was living at various places in germany and the only place which gave me a good connection was Frankfurt. I am now living near munich, its just crap. The internet isn't going away, nobody said so. But it's in danger to become a two-class internet full of service providers who a) pay to telekom for "managed services" or b) don't pay to telekom. I complain about not respecting "Netzneutralität".
rlx0x 13y ago
I was thinking the same thing, I live in germany and am very aware of the net situation. I hoped to find a nice summary on the Telekom peering blackmail they do, the net neutrality issues of mobile internet and t-entertain/spotify, vdsl-vectoring, ds-lite (not telekom but unitymedia) and the very apparent anti-internet climate of the government and law enforcement. What I got was some incoherent rant of some very specific issue he personally had, useless.

Badly written article, lacking improtant facts and misrepresenting things (e.g. there is not just Telekom in Germany...) just to finally go all alarmist. :/

by EvaK_de 13y ago

Badly written article, lacking improtant facts and misrepresenting things (e.g. there is not just Telekom in Germany...) just to finally go all alarmist. :/

sgift 13y ago

In many regions there is only the Telekom. Germany is not only Munich, Koeln, Berlin, Hamburg and Frankfurt. Many of my friends who do not live in a city have exactly the "choice" between Telekom or nothing.

mars 13y ago
Thats not correct as other providers are leasing the infrastructure from DT. So you have a choice almost everywhere.
- mars 13y ago
  and cable is also available almost everywhere.
  - sgift 13y ago
    Almost anywhere besides my place of living (which happens to be Munich, but we have alternatives here) or big parts of eastern Germany (where friends of mine live) or various rural parts of Bavaria (where parts of my family live) and so on.

darklajid 13y ago

Agreed. The article's a rant with little content (the Telekom 'no flatrates anymore' move IS crap, but only mentioned once). There are usually good options available and usually you're up and running quite fast. I can recommend NetCologne (local, dsl/fiber), UnityMedia (cable) and 1&1 (Vodafone reseller) as providers of very nice, very dumb pipes. The author obviously is frustrated and annoyed. That's okay, it happens. A rant might even help. But I wonder why that ends up on this site here: The internet in Germany isn't going away and is, frankly, quite usable and widely available.

grobmeier 13y ago
If you are limited to a specific download volume, then it's not really a flat rate, right? In my region are zero options, as the telekom refuses to give out lines (see article) Widely available - i was living at various places in germany and the only place which gave me a good connection was Frankfurt. I am now living near munich, its just crap. The internet isn't going away, nobody said so. But it's in danger to become a two-class internet full of service providers who a) pay to telekom for "managed services" or b) don't pay to telekom. I complain about not respecting "Netzneutralität".

rlx0x 13y ago

I was thinking the same thing, I live in germany and am very aware of the net situation. I hoped to find a nice summary on the Telekom peering blackmail they do, the net neutrality issues of mobile internet and t-entertain/spotify, vdsl-vectoring, ds-lite (not telekom but unitymedia) and the very apparent anti-internet climate of the government and law enforcement. What I got was some incoherent rant of some very specific issue he personally had, useless.