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The 140 char limit, the inability to attach files, etc... seem very counter-productive with regards to intra-corporate communication. I'd never look toward Twi

• tptacek 18y ago
  IRC, Campfire, and Confluence all require you to actively participate. (Thanks, I just remembered to hop on ours). IM is always-on, and at my clients it seems to work. But broadcasting over IM doesn't work. Email broadcasts piss off enterprise people (not least because psychotic IT managers crack down on email storage, which leads to a startup idea that could easily generate an 8-figure ROI for most large enterprises: kill those IT managers). What does that leave you with? I'm actually bullish on enterprise microblogging.
  • moe 18y ago
    IM is always-on, and at my clients it seems to work. But broadcasting over IM doesn't work. It's the broadcast bit about twitter that worries me. Broadcast equals noise. Communication noise is very harmful. If you really value real-time updates about your peers then that should at least be limited to the stuff that can be relevant to you, e.g. to people that work on the same project as you. For this purpose a simple chat-room seems more than adequate. And that is supported by pretty much every IM service in existence. Without character limits. With seamless unicast.
    • tptacek 18y ago
      Broadcasts limited to the stuff relevant to you seems like the entire Twitter problem statement. I think you're getting hung up on how Internet Twitter is used. Enterprise IM isn't used for picking up teenaged girls on Yahoo, either.
      • moe 18y ago
        Broadcasts limited to the stuff relevant to you seems like the entire Twitter problem statement. Absolutely not. In twitter you follow people, which makes absolutely no sense in corporate context. Who am I supposed to follow, my project manager, all my co-workers? Am I supposed to change my followership for each project? What when I'm jumping between projects? As I see it the only meaningful messaging context in the corporate world is per-project or per-team. And nothing easier than starting a chatroom, campfire or similar for that. Or why exactly should Bob the programmer care what Sarah from accounting is working on if she's not part of his project or team?
        • tptacek 18y ago
          Yes, you follow your teammates (your dev team, your account team, your CSR shift manager), plus management up the chain to the CEO, plus facilities for your building, HR, and finally the hashtags for any project you may be a part of. I'm not sure I understand the disconnect here. Bob the programmer never sees what Sarah from accounting is working on, because why would Bob want to follow her? I don't see what you're typing on Twitter on the Internet for the same reason. Presumably, a good part of the opportunity in enterprise Twitter is in figuring out what the features are that helps mainstream users stay subscribed to the right feeds.
          • moe 18y ago
            Yes, you follow your teammates (your dev team, your account team, your CSR shift manager), plus management up the chain to the CEO, plus facilities for y our building, HR, and finally the hashtags for any project you may be a part of. Which is completely nonsensical. Why put that burden on the user when a simple chatroom serves the exact same purpose, with better scoping? Why would I want my CEOs messages intermixed with my project related chatter? Why should I receive messages for projects that I have nothing to do with only because one of my co-workers is involved with them? You'll probably say "then filter by hashtag". And I'll tell you: This is why many people consider twitter nothing more than a very poor re-implementation of existing chat technology. The hashtag emulates a chatroom (poorly) on top of a broadcast protocol. In fact the whole construct is so primitive and backwards than one has to wonder whether the twitter guys had ever looked at IRC, jabber or, well, anything, before they started their broken impl. What they did successfully was to make person-centric scopes (rooms) the default. This obviously has a lot of mass appeal due to the inherent psychological effects (cf. "why babies cry"). But again, I don't see how this has a place in any productive environment.
  • axod 18y ago
    >> "IRC, Campfire, and Confluence all require you to actively participate." Please. Most of IRC is idlers. It's simple enough to setup an IRC client to be connected to channels that are useful to you. Twitter is a single dimensional thing. You can only follow people and be followed. With chatrooms you can have several groups open at the same time. I'd say that makes it far more useful, especially in a corporate setting. With Twitter you just don't have the granularity. You have to either say you're interested in Bob, or you're not interested in Bob. With IRC/chatrooms/etc, you say you're interested in Bob IF he's also talking about some project you've setup a channel for. I'd say the only real reason for a corporation to use Twitter in their intranet is if they want to appear hip+cool and "get it".
    • tptacek 18y ago
      You're pretty biased here, axod. It's simple for people who are used to "idling" on chat channels, periodically checking back to see whether anything interesting has happened. But not only is that an uncommon use case for most corporate computer users, it's annoying even for people who are used to it. To wit: much as I like Campfire, I have to be reminded or scheduled to get on it. Most people don't spend their days lurking. Almost everyone on the Internet does spend their days available on IM. You're not acknowledging the Twitter use case. Twitter isn't a chat system, even if people abuse it that way.
      • axod 18y ago
        My point is, that the Twitter use case is a subset of the chatroom use case. It's simple enough to add bots to a channel to email/sms people of updates. Chatrooms just do everything twitter does, and a ton more.
  • kragen 18y ago
    What does that leave you with? Skype. It's proprietary, but I don't know of a free alternative. Zephyr.