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Exactly...Yammer does that.

by mg1313 18y ago

moe 18y ago
"Enterprise microblogging"? And there is a company selling that? And there are companies buying that? I'm not sure if I want to laugh or cry right now.
- mg1313 18y ago
  It is known that companies are, usually, more resistant to the inovation. I just remember the company I worked for some time ago: they switched from SQL Server 2000 to SQL Server 2005 last year :)... I know a company which builds educational products...yet it doesn't support Firefox! Firefox which has 20% of the market! Another company just upgraded their Internet Explorer browser...switching from IE6 to IE7... So, give it some time...the enterprise will catch up eventually with Twitter like stuff. Too bad that, at that time, something new will be out there...and they have to play the cat and mouse again.
  - moe 18y ago
    Sorry, I think you completely misunderstood me. I'm baffled that someone would even want to deploy a twitter-like app in a corporate environment. Twitter seems to be the most counter-productive form of communication imaginable, even when you get rid of the character limit.
    - tptacek 18y ago
      Twitter is probably more valuable inside an enterprise than on the Internet. It's part of plenty of people's jobs to keep up with a constant stream of minor updates.
      - modoc 18y ago
        The 140 char limit, the inability to attach files, etc... seem very counter-productive with regards to intra-corporate communication. I'd never look toward Twitter for that role. IRC, campfire, Confluence, etc... sure, but never Twitter.
        tptacek 18y ago
        IRC, Campfire, and Confluence all require you to actively participate. (Thanks, I just remembered to hop on ours). IM is always-on, and at my clients it seems to work. But broadcasting over IM doesn't work. Email broadcasts piss off enterprise people (not least because psychotic IT managers crack down on email storage, which leads to a startup idea that could easily generate an 8-figure ROI for most large enterprises: kill those IT managers). What does that leave you with? I'm actually bullish on enterprise microblogging.
        moe 18y ago
        IM is always-on, and at my clients it seems to work. But broadcasting over IM doesn't work. It's the broadcast bit about twitter that worries me. Broadcast equals noise. Communication noise is very harmful. If you really value real-time updates about your peers then that should at least be limited to the stuff that can be relevant to you, e.g. to people that work on the same project as you. For this purpose a simple chat-room seems more than adequate. And that is supported by pretty much every IM service in existence. Without character limits. With seamless unicast.
        tptacek 18y ago
        Broadcasts limited to the stuff relevant to you seems like the entire Twitter problem statement. I think you're getting hung up on how Internet Twitter is used. Enterprise IM isn't used for picking up teenaged girls on Yahoo, either.
        moe 18y ago
        Broadcasts limited to the stuff relevant to you seems like the entire Twitter problem statement. Absolutely not. In twitter you follow people, which makes absolutely no sense in corporate context. Who am I supposed to follow, my project manager, all my co-workers? Am I supposed to change my followership for each project? What when I'm jumping between projects? As I see it the only meaningful messaging context in the corporate world is per-project or per-team. And nothing easier than starting a chatroom, campfire or similar for that. Or why exactly should Bob the programmer care what Sarah from accounting is working on if she's not part of his project or team?
- cmars232 18y ago
  A big shot marketing guy at my day job (large company) started promoting Yammer as a "great way to share ideas and information". But, no proprietary or internal only communications please, since its on offsite servers. WTF?

Exactly...Yammer does that.

by mg1313 18y ago

Exactly...Yammer does that.

moe 18y ago

"Enterprise microblogging"? And there is a company selling that? And there are companies buying that? I'm not sure if I want to laugh or cry right now.

mg1313 18y ago
It is known that companies are, usually, more resistant to the inovation. I just remember the company I worked for some time ago: they switched from SQL Server 2000 to SQL Server 2005 last year :)... I know a company which builds educational products...yet it doesn't support Firefox! Firefox which has 20% of the market! Another company just upgraded their Internet Explorer browser...switching from IE6 to IE7... So, give it some time...the enterprise will catch up eventually with Twitter like stuff. Too bad that, at that time, something new will be out there...and they have to play the cat and mouse again.
- moe 18y ago
  Sorry, I think you completely misunderstood me. I'm baffled that someone would even want to deploy a twitter-like app in a corporate environment. Twitter seems to be the most counter-productive form of communication imaginable, even when you get rid of the character limit.
  - tptacek 18y ago
    Twitter is probably more valuable inside an enterprise than on the Internet. It's part of plenty of people's jobs to keep up with a constant stream of minor updates.
    - modoc 18y ago
      The 140 char limit, the inability to attach files, etc... seem very counter-productive with regards to intra-corporate communication. I'd never look toward Twitter for that role. IRC, campfire, Confluence, etc... sure, but never Twitter.
      - tptacek 18y ago
        IRC, Campfire, and Confluence all require you to actively participate. (Thanks, I just remembered to hop on ours). IM is always-on, and at my clients it seems to work. But broadcasting over IM doesn't work. Email broadcasts piss off enterprise people (not least because psychotic IT managers crack down on email storage, which leads to a startup idea that could easily generate an 8-figure ROI for most large enterprises: kill those IT managers). What does that leave you with? I'm actually bullish on enterprise microblogging.
        moe 18y ago
        IM is always-on, and at my clients it seems to work. But broadcasting over IM doesn't work. It's the broadcast bit about twitter that worries me. Broadcast equals noise. Communication noise is very harmful. If you really value real-time updates about your peers then that should at least be limited to the stuff that can be relevant to you, e.g. to people that work on the same project as you. For this purpose a simple chat-room seems more than adequate. And that is supported by pretty much every IM service in existence. Without character limits. With seamless unicast.
        tptacek 18y ago
        Broadcasts limited to the stuff relevant to you seems like the entire Twitter problem statement. I think you're getting hung up on how Internet Twitter is used. Enterprise IM isn't used for picking up teenaged girls on Yahoo, either.
        moe 18y ago
        Broadcasts limited to the stuff relevant to you seems like the entire Twitter problem statement. Absolutely not. In twitter you follow people, which makes absolutely no sense in corporate context. Who am I supposed to follow, my project manager, all my co-workers? Am I supposed to change my followership for each project? What when I'm jumping between projects? As I see it the only meaningful messaging context in the corporate world is per-project or per-team. And nothing easier than starting a chatroom, campfire or similar for that. Or why exactly should Bob the programmer care what Sarah from accounting is working on if she's not part of his project or team?
cmars232 18y ago
A big shot marketing guy at my day job (large company) started promoting Yammer as a "great way to share ideas and information". But, no proprietary or internal only communications please, since its on offsite servers. WTF?