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I had the benefit of seeing Monty talk at All Your Base conference in Oxford last year, and let me tell you, he made it quite clear that a huge driving force be

I had the benefit of seeing Monty talk at All Your Base conference in Oxford last year, and let me tell you, he made it quite clear that a huge driving force behind MariaDB is to take on Oracle, because he absolutely hates them for what they've done with MySQL. Remember, the original sale of MySQL wasn't to Oracle, it was to Sun, which was then acquired by Oracle. After hearing what he had to say, I have nothing but a tremendous amount of respect for Monty, and wish him all the success in the world.

leef 13y ago
Except, as much I am not a fan of the company, Oracle has done a far better job managing and improving MySQL than Sun so far. Having the same company own both the main engine (InnoDB) and the harness (MySQL) has been tremendously valuable.
frenchy 13y ago
> he absolutely hates them for what they've done with MySQL I may be a bit ignorant, but what have they done with MySQL?
- exabrial 13y ago
  I really hate the word hate. This has the whole stupid jenkins/hudson thing written all over it. I do appreciate Monty's efforts, but really, can we kiss and make up? And if oracle wants to monetize MySql, so what? The rest of us get a better database.
- cmsefton 13y ago
  You can watch the video of his talk here. http://vimeo.com/56639635 http://vimeo.com/56639635 Perhaps "hate" is the wrong word, and it should be more "dislike", since Oracle are essentially the complete opposite of what Monty wants to encourage (e.g. Hacker Business Model, Open Source). My memory's a bit hazy, but from what I gathered, Oracle tried to stop MySQL in its early days by acquiring the INNODB Engine around 2005. After that, once Oracle acquired Sun and thus MySQL, Monty and many of the other original developers saw Oracle as being against the spirit of the original intention of MySQL, shifting away from the principles they wanted to encourage, particularly open source philosophies, and they wanted to make sure a version of MySQL would always stay free. From what I recall, he believed that Oracle were no longer fixing known bugs because they didn't know how, and they were also moving from "open source" to "open core", where new features were closed source.
AaronBBrown 13y ago
...after he made wheelbarrows full of money from the Sun purchase.
EugeneOZ 13y ago
Previous release of MySQL new version was really evolutionary, so I'm sure now that Oracle can improve this DB. And if we will add some facts about InnoDB then all Monty's "hate" will look like populism or try to keep the face.

leef 13y ago

Except, as much I am not a fan of the company, Oracle has done a far better job managing and improving MySQL than Sun so far. Having the same company own both the main engine (InnoDB) and the harness (MySQL) has been tremendously valuable.

frenchy 13y ago

> he absolutely hates them for what they've done with MySQL I may be a bit ignorant, but what have they done with MySQL?

exabrial 13y ago
I really hate the word hate. This has the whole stupid jenkins/hudson thing written all over it. I do appreciate Monty's efforts, but really, can we kiss and make up? And if oracle wants to monetize MySql, so what? The rest of us get a better database.
cmsefton 13y ago
You can watch the video of his talk here. http://vimeo.com/56639635 http://vimeo.com/56639635 Perhaps "hate" is the wrong word, and it should be more "dislike", since Oracle are essentially the complete opposite of what Monty wants to encourage (e.g. Hacker Business Model, Open Source). My memory's a bit hazy, but from what I gathered, Oracle tried to stop MySQL in its early days by acquiring the INNODB Engine around 2005. After that, once Oracle acquired Sun and thus MySQL, Monty and many of the other original developers saw Oracle as being against the spirit of the original intention of MySQL, shifting away from the principles they wanted to encourage, particularly open source philosophies, and they wanted to make sure a version of MySQL would always stay free. From what I recall, he believed that Oracle were no longer fixing known bugs because they didn't know how, and they were also moving from "open source" to "open core", where new features were closed source.

AaronBBrown 13y ago

...after he made wheelbarrows full of money from the Sun purchase.

EugeneOZ 13y ago

Previous release of MySQL new version was really evolutionary, so I'm sure now that Oracle can improve this DB. And if we will add some facts about InnoDB then all Monty's "hate" will look like populism or try to keep the face.