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Yeah, I wasn't sure how much of that is my perception vs actual reality. I don't find unix fascinating and interesting any more, so I have a hard time judging

Yeah, I wasn't sure how much of that is my perception vs actual reality. I don't find unix fascinating and interesting any more, so I have a hard time judging whether that is skewing my perception of how much discussion and interest there seems to be from other people. On the other hand, openbsd has no xen support and ec2 and other xen based providers are hugely popular now. I wonder how much that has affected things. I ran everything on openbsd back then, and now that I am getting back to doing some sysadmining, it appears openbsd isn't even an option for a lot of people.

zdw 13y ago
5.3 gives support for the virt- paravirtualized interfaces provided by KVM and others: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=virtio&sektion=4 http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=virtio&sekt... In earlier releases it supported the T-series Sparc64 logical CPU partitioning.
- papsosouid 13y ago
  Neither of those things address the issue. A huge portion of the "people who will be installing a unix system" market are using EC2 instead of hardware. That cuts the potential userbase for openbsd down significantly.
EvilLook 13y ago
OpenBSD fares no worse than Windows under Xen - both work just fine under HVM.
- papsosouid 13y ago
  Can you install whatever OS you want on EC2 windows instances?
  - profquail 13y ago
    Yes, but you still end up paying the additional costs for the Windows licenses (even if you're not using them). Colin Percival (cperciva here on HN) maintains up-to-date FreeBSD AMIs for EC2, based on the Windows instances: http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-on-ec2/ http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-on-ec2/
    - papsosouid 13y ago
      Now I am confused. I started looking into this, and Amazon claims they are not using HVM for windows instances, they are using a PVM driver. So in that case, running "windows" instances wouldn't help. But then, why are those freebsd amis intended for "windows" instances? Edit: nevermind, the PVM drivers they were talking about are just to speed up IO, windows instances do have to be HVM.

zdw 13y ago

5.3 gives support for the virt- paravirtualized interfaces provided by KVM and others: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=virtio&sektion=4 http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=virtio&sekt... In earlier releases it supported the T-series Sparc64 logical CPU partitioning.

papsosouid 13y ago
Neither of those things address the issue. A huge portion of the "people who will be installing a unix system" market are using EC2 instead of hardware. That cuts the potential userbase for openbsd down significantly.

EvilLook 13y ago

OpenBSD fares no worse than Windows under Xen - both work just fine under HVM.

papsosouid 13y ago
Can you install whatever OS you want on EC2 windows instances?
- profquail 13y ago
  Yes, but you still end up paying the additional costs for the Windows licenses (even if you're not using them). Colin Percival (cperciva here on HN) maintains up-to-date FreeBSD AMIs for EC2, based on the Windows instances: http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-on-ec2/ http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-on-ec2/
  - papsosouid 13y ago
    Now I am confused. I started looking into this, and Amazon claims they are not using HVM for windows instances, they are using a PVM driver. So in that case, running "windows" instances wouldn't help. But then, why are those freebsd amis intended for "windows" instances? Edit: nevermind, the PVM drivers they were talking about are just to speed up IO, windows instances do have to be HVM.