I'm not selling people the idea they should or should not drink coffee for health reasons. We don't know, there is too much conflicting data. I'm saying : 1)

I'm not selling people the idea they should or should not drink coffee for health reasons. We don't know, there is too much conflicting data. I'm saying : 1) I shouldn't drink coffee for health reasons 2) We also shouldn't collectively define the "hacker" identity with unrelated things like coffee. 1 and 2 are totally unrelated. Yet saying 1 makes me say 2, because defining yourself as doing something or as not doing something is just as pointless. You are not a label. We shouldn't fight for or against coffee - just make it something unrelated to the hacker identity, a choice - like vim or emacs or Writeroom or whatever, instead of a mandate and a common identity, which will necessarily exclude some people. EDIT: And yes this discussion is not relevant and I'm sorry about it, and I should add a third point to make that clear : 3) You drink coffee if you want to. Not my problem. Just want to let you know it's optional and you won't be any less of a hacker if you don't, and if you don't and need support, hey I'm starting a g+ community because I for sure will need some support!