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Also, you can go to prison for thoughtcrimes. They don't mention that. Of course, that's also the case in the #1 "freest" country, Finland, so I guess they don

Also, you can go to prison for thoughtcrimes. They don't mention that. Of course, that's also the case in the #1 "freest" country, Finland, so I guess they don't take that into account.

Kudzu_Bob 14y ago
The other restrictions aren't aimed at any particular group, and therefore harbor at least the potential to silence Our Sort. But by their very design, hate speech laws only target a bunch of misfit losers who most definitely are Not Our Sort.
- dmix 14y ago
  And similarly anti-terrorism laws only apply to terrorists. So we shouldn't care that they can be held for 3 days without charge. http://www.therecord.com/news/canada/article/924121--ottawa-gives-police-exceptional-powers-to-probe-terror-plots http://www.therecord.com/news/canada/article/924121--ottawa-... Regarding hate speech laws in Canada: > "Although it's true that they have nailed some genuine hatemongers with it, it has nevertheless been used or threatened to be used against a wide variety of constituencies who don't bear the slightest resemblance to the kind of hatemongers that were originally envisioned: anti-American protesters, French-Canadian nationalists, a film sympathetic to South Africa's Nelson Mandela, a pro-Zionist book, a Jewish community leader, Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses, and even a couple years ago, a pro-Israeli speaker was briefed about the anti-hate law by a police detective before he went in to make a speech." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Human_Rights_Commission_free_speech_controversies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Human_Rights_Commissio...
  - aclevernickname 14y ago
    If I were a canadian, I would be looking through the Criminal Code of Canada to see what things _aren't_ considered an act of terrorism now. Since Harper's been in, the Canada Gazette has been full of changes. (is a canadian, has looked through the criminal code, knows what is or isn't terrorism)
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  - Kudzu_Bob 14y ago
    Rightly or wrongly, those who employ capitalized phrases such as "Our Sort" and "Not Our Sort" often fancy themselves ironists.
tzs 14y ago
Examples?
sliverstorm 14y ago
How can you go to prison for thoughtcrimes? To my knowledge, mind reading technology is still in its infancy.
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- lesterbuck 14y ago
  Sentence enhancement for hate crimes is essentially a form of thought crime, since "proving" you had certain thoughts in your head changes your sentence. There are interesting arguments both ways on hate crime sentencing, but make no mistake, it is sentencing you to (more) prison for your thoughts, not your actions.
  - sliverstorm 14y ago
    Ah, so murder in the first degree is also a form of thought crime, as compared to manslaughter.

Also, you can go to prison for thoughtcrimes. They don't mention that. Of course, that's also the case in the #1 "freest" country, Finland, so I guess they don't take that into account.

Kudzu_Bob 14y ago

The other restrictions aren't aimed at any particular group, and therefore harbor at least the potential to silence Our Sort. But by their very design, hate speech laws only target a bunch of misfit losers who most definitely are Not Our Sort.

dmix 14y ago
And similarly anti-terrorism laws only apply to terrorists. So we shouldn't care that they can be held for 3 days without charge. http://www.therecord.com/news/canada/article/924121--ottawa-gives-police-exceptional-powers-to-probe-terror-plots http://www.therecord.com/news/canada/article/924121--ottawa-... Regarding hate speech laws in Canada: > "Although it's true that they have nailed some genuine hatemongers with it, it has nevertheless been used or threatened to be used against a wide variety of constituencies who don't bear the slightest resemblance to the kind of hatemongers that were originally envisioned: anti-American protesters, French-Canadian nationalists, a film sympathetic to South Africa's Nelson Mandela, a pro-Zionist book, a Jewish community leader, Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses, and even a couple years ago, a pro-Israeli speaker was briefed about the anti-hate law by a police detective before he went in to make a speech." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Human_Rights_Commission_free_speech_controversies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Human_Rights_Commissio...
- aclevernickname 14y ago
  If I were a canadian, I would be looking through the Criminal Code of Canada to see what things _aren't_ considered an act of terrorism now. Since Harper's been in, the Canada Gazette has been full of changes. (is a canadian, has looked through the criminal code, knows what is or isn't terrorism)
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- Kudzu_Bob 14y ago
  Rightly or wrongly, those who employ capitalized phrases such as "Our Sort" and "Not Our Sort" often fancy themselves ironists.

tzs 14y ago

Examples?

sliverstorm 14y ago

How can you go to prison for thoughtcrimes? To my knowledge, mind reading technology is still in its infancy.

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lesterbuck 14y ago
Sentence enhancement for hate crimes is essentially a form of thought crime, since "proving" you had certain thoughts in your head changes your sentence. There are interesting arguments both ways on hate crime sentencing, but make no mistake, it is sentencing you to (more) prison for your thoughts, not your actions.
- sliverstorm 14y ago
  Ah, so murder in the first degree is also a form of thought crime, as compared to manslaughter.