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I understand your concerns, but you're basically doing exactly what I was complaining about. Deciding that because you had a bad experience, EVERY SINGLE PERSO

I understand your concerns, but you're basically doing exactly what I was complaining about. Deciding that because you had a bad experience, EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this field is an idiot. Hell, I've interviewed thousands of engineers over the past few years. If I decided engineers had x feature because a few engineers did something stupid that would be unfair, as is this.

mratzloff 14y ago
That's an example, not the sole occurrence. You are the one who called 95% of your colleagues worthless. I was agreeing with you.
- ryguytilidie 14y ago
  I said 95% are bad, but the good ones are really good and can provide a ton of value. You said 95% are bad and the rest are clueless. I don't see that as agreement but maybe I misread.
  - dirtyalpaca 14y ago
    So how does one find the good ones? :)
    - ryguytilidie 14y ago
      Look at their work history, read what they are actually writing. If they are specific about the role, the company and why you fit, they are probably good. If there is a list of qualifications and no real reasoning as to why they are contacting you specifically, they probably aren't very good. I said this in another post, but even as a recruiter, I get contacted constantly and I usually just look at the persons work history, the specifics of the offer, if they actually seem credible, (does person offering you job at Google actually work at Google?) and if they're offering something that actually makes sense for you. If those are the case, they're probably not dreadful.
  - dkersten 14y ago
    I read it as "95% are bad, so its not worth the hassle in the hope that you end up with one of the good 5%". I and most of the people I know have received all of their jobs through conferences/meetups, word of mouth/direct referrals etc and I find that much more pleasant than dealing with linkedin and phone spam. I do still maintain a LinkedIn account though. I am now cofounder of a startup and, despite my LinkedIn profile clearly stating this, I still received messages from recruiters about jobs.
evilduck 14y ago
Answer these please: How can I know you aren't one of the 95% who will waste my time? Why should I even talk to you? How can I know you won't misrepresent me? What are the consequences of you screwing me over? (Lost time, lost opportunity, reputation damage) How is your rate of success measured? It's not like this is a single "oh, I met a bad recruiter once" anecdote, this is an industry wide plague.

mratzloff 14y ago

That's an example, not the sole occurrence. You are the one who called 95% of your colleagues worthless. I was agreeing with you.

ryguytilidie 14y ago
I said 95% are bad, but the good ones are really good and can provide a ton of value. You said 95% are bad and the rest are clueless. I don't see that as agreement but maybe I misread.
- dirtyalpaca 14y ago
  So how does one find the good ones? :)
  - ryguytilidie 14y ago
    Look at their work history, read what they are actually writing. If they are specific about the role, the company and why you fit, they are probably good. If there is a list of qualifications and no real reasoning as to why they are contacting you specifically, they probably aren't very good. I said this in another post, but even as a recruiter, I get contacted constantly and I usually just look at the persons work history, the specifics of the offer, if they actually seem credible, (does person offering you job at Google actually work at Google?) and if they're offering something that actually makes sense for you. If those are the case, they're probably not dreadful.
- dkersten 14y ago
  I read it as "95% are bad, so its not worth the hassle in the hope that you end up with one of the good 5%". I and most of the people I know have received all of their jobs through conferences/meetups, word of mouth/direct referrals etc and I find that much more pleasant than dealing with linkedin and phone spam. I do still maintain a LinkedIn account though. I am now cofounder of a startup and, despite my LinkedIn profile clearly stating this, I still received messages from recruiters about jobs.

evilduck 14y ago

Answer these please: How can I know you aren't one of the 95% who will waste my time? Why should I even talk to you? How can I know you won't misrepresent me? What are the consequences of you screwing me over? (Lost time, lost opportunity, reputation damage) How is your rate of success measured? It's not like this is a single "oh, I met a bad recruiter once" anecdote, this is an industry wide plague.