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'Treat warnings as errors' is the greatest thing since shirt pockets. I've found that most warnings are really latent errors. I've been using this setting for

'Treat warnings as errors' is the greatest thing since shirt pockets. I've found that most warnings are really latent errors. I've been using this setting for as long as I've been compiling with GCC/LLVM, going back to gcc 2.x. Whenever I take over a new project I immediately endeavor to fix all the warnings. The reason is simple: I've spent too much time chasing bugs that were directly related to a specific warning in a sea of them. Once you get a project warning-free it's quite easy to keep it that way. Regarding the author's specific complaint--unused variables--I find that it's quite simple to comment out the declaration. There's no need to resort to pragmas in this instance.

forrestthewoods 13y ago
The build machine should treat warnings as errors but for local builds warnings are acceptable. You know they can't be checked in but they don't get in your way and slow you down while writing new code.
DrJokepu 13y ago
I never really understood this, what's stopping you from resolving those warnings even if they won't make the build fail? I mean, you still get a list of all the warnings and you can still have a zero-warnings rule (which is something you should really do)? This is, in my opinion, exactly as pointless as my wife setting her alarm clock seven minutes forward in order to stop herself from being late.
- scott_s 13y ago
  There are two scenarios. In one, you control the build process yourself, in which case nothing is physically stopping you. There is still value in doing it, because we are irrational creatures. We may be more likely to let a "warning" slide, rather than an "error," even though it is only classified as an error because we told it to do so. Being irrational creatures, we are loathe to go back on past decisions, and turning an "error" back into a "warning" requires action on our part that implies we were wrong before. We're more likely to just fix the "error." The second situation is when you don't control the build process, in which case someone or someones are keeping you honest.
- redshirtrob 13y ago
  Have you ever tried to spot a warning in a large project with hundreds of files? It's nearly impossible as all those build commands fly by. Note that I'm speaking to a more traditional Unix Make environment. Therefore, it's easier to fail on that specific file than to let the build continue. Certainly building with a tool like Xcode makes the warnings more conspicuous, and you can just choose to fix all warnings. I don't see anything wrong with that approach, but I still prefer to just treat the warnings as errors. I guess it's just how I'm built.:)
  - gizmo686 13y ago
    When I build a program with make, the warnings are very easy to spot. While you do, without warnings, see a bunch of text fly through the screen, all of that text looks incredibly simmilar. Warnings (and errors) stick out in the wall of text.
    - redshirtrob 13y ago
      I guess we've just had different experiences. I can say from experience, without a doubt, that I could not possibly pick out a warning among hundreds of compile/link commands. Now, if dependencies were in order, and I'd just made a small change to a single file, and had previously built the project successfully, I'm sure I could probably catch a single warning. That's a lot of assumptions to work from. I prefer to let the build fail.
  - demallien 13y ago
    Warnings are output to stderr. Personally I just do this: make > /dev/null All that you see after that are warnings and errors.
- chrisdevereux 13y ago
  I'd compare it to disabling the snooze button.
chrisdevereux 13y ago
> Regarding the author's specific complaint--unused variables--I find that it's quite simple to comment out the declaration But then you have commented out code potentially forgotten about and checked in and no warning. That's the problem with universally enforcing a rule. Circumventing the rule is usually messier than just breaking it.
- redshirtrob 13y ago
  I guess I don't understand your complaint. I'm not talking about commenting out huge swaths of code to avoid warnings. And I'm certainly not advocating committing such code. (Or, let me be more clear, I'm not advocating publishing such code. I think it's fine to commit it to a local branch, but the code should be clean by the time it's merged to a public branch.) But, if you've prematurely declared a variable and find it's throwing a warning, I see no issue with temporarily commenting out the declaration. The only downside I can think of is someone accidentally commits a single-line, commented out variable declaration. I can say I rarely run into this specific problem. I tend to use variables once they're declared. It's possible my development style is just different. If I found this to be a big problem, I probably would disable the warning for debug builds.
  - to3m 13y ago
    I've had this sort of problem quite a bit, but it probably does depend on programming style. If you use a lot of temporary variables rather than anonymous subexpressions (this is somewhat common among people who use a debugger a lot, and some compilers seem to prefer SIMD code to look like this) then it's very easy for one commented-out line to turn into a whole pile of unused variable warnings that slowly fan out as you "fix" each one in turn (because many expressions simply combine two variables that themselves only exist to be inputs for that expression, and so on in turn). This is terribly galling if you're only commenting something out as a quick (or not, as it turns out...) sanity check while you're trying to debug something. All in all, warnings-as-errors seemed to me like a bum deal. People who don't fix their warnings without warnings-as-errors can't generally be relied on to fix them properly; people who do fix their warnings would have fixed them anyway; everybody is annoyed at some point. In fact, I am actually becoming annoyed just thinking about it again ;)
millstone 13y ago
Have you ever worked on a project that has to build on diverse systems that you may not control, like most open source projects? Inflicting -Werror on yourself is fine, but inflicting it on others is onerous, because there's no way you can guarantee that your code produces no warnings on their compiler with their library and header versions.
- coherentpony 13y ago
  >Inflicting -Werror on yourself is fine, but inflicting it on others is onerous, because there's no way you can guarantee that your code produces no warnings on their compiler with their library and header versions. This is precisely the reason it is in fact necessary. When writing code that is intended to be portable and is expected to generate reproducible floating-point calculations in numerically intensive calculations, warnings on different platforms and header versions is a godsend. When I receive a bug report that says, "I am using operating system distribution X, version Y, with library version Z, and specific test W produces warnings when I type `make check`," it makes me happy.
  - to3m 13y ago
    Why not just use #error? Then the build will crap out in any event. I've found #error to work on a wider range of compilers anyway (I'm not sure #warning is standardized).
- redshirtrob 13y ago
  I think I would deal with this on a case-by-case basis. If the project was primarily for Objective-C/Apple I think I would use -Werror against the most recent set of tools. My experience writing software for the iOS platform indicates this wouldn't be an onerous initial constraint. And, there's nothing to stop others from changing the build settings. I would absolutely relax the constraint if I was maintaining a large cross-platform OSS project. In that case, I think your criticism is on point. I hadn't considered this situation as I've not been the maintainer of such a system.
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forrestthewoods 13y ago

The build machine should treat warnings as errors but for local builds warnings are acceptable. You know they can't be checked in but they don't get in your way and slow you down while writing new code.

DrJokepu 13y ago

I never really understood this, what's stopping you from resolving those warnings even if they won't make the build fail? I mean, you still get a list of all the warnings and you can still have a zero-warnings rule (which is something you should really do)? This is, in my opinion, exactly as pointless as my wife setting her alarm clock seven minutes forward in order to stop herself from being late.

scott_s 13y ago
There are two scenarios. In one, you control the build process yourself, in which case nothing is physically stopping you. There is still value in doing it, because we are irrational creatures. We may be more likely to let a "warning" slide, rather than an "error," even though it is only classified as an error because we told it to do so. Being irrational creatures, we are loathe to go back on past decisions, and turning an "error" back into a "warning" requires action on our part that implies we were wrong before. We're more likely to just fix the "error." The second situation is when you don't control the build process, in which case someone or someones are keeping you honest.
redshirtrob 13y ago
Have you ever tried to spot a warning in a large project with hundreds of files? It's nearly impossible as all those build commands fly by. Note that I'm speaking to a more traditional Unix Make environment. Therefore, it's easier to fail on that specific file than to let the build continue. Certainly building with a tool like Xcode makes the warnings more conspicuous, and you can just choose to fix all warnings. I don't see anything wrong with that approach, but I still prefer to just treat the warnings as errors. I guess it's just how I'm built.:)
- gizmo686 13y ago
  When I build a program with make, the warnings are very easy to spot. While you do, without warnings, see a bunch of text fly through the screen, all of that text looks incredibly simmilar. Warnings (and errors) stick out in the wall of text.
  - redshirtrob 13y ago
    I guess we've just had different experiences. I can say from experience, without a doubt, that I could not possibly pick out a warning among hundreds of compile/link commands. Now, if dependencies were in order, and I'd just made a small change to a single file, and had previously built the project successfully, I'm sure I could probably catch a single warning. That's a lot of assumptions to work from. I prefer to let the build fail.
- demallien 13y ago
  Warnings are output to stderr. Personally I just do this: make > /dev/null All that you see after that are warnings and errors.
chrisdevereux 13y ago
I'd compare it to disabling the snooze button.

chrisdevereux 13y ago

> Regarding the author's specific complaint--unused variables--I find that it's quite simple to comment out the declaration But then you have commented out code potentially forgotten about and checked in and no warning. That's the problem with universally enforcing a rule. Circumventing the rule is usually messier than just breaking it.

redshirtrob 13y ago
I guess I don't understand your complaint. I'm not talking about commenting out huge swaths of code to avoid warnings. And I'm certainly not advocating committing such code. (Or, let me be more clear, I'm not advocating publishing such code. I think it's fine to commit it to a local branch, but the code should be clean by the time it's merged to a public branch.) But, if you've prematurely declared a variable and find it's throwing a warning, I see no issue with temporarily commenting out the declaration. The only downside I can think of is someone accidentally commits a single-line, commented out variable declaration. I can say I rarely run into this specific problem. I tend to use variables once they're declared. It's possible my development style is just different. If I found this to be a big problem, I probably would disable the warning for debug builds.
- to3m 13y ago
  I've had this sort of problem quite a bit, but it probably does depend on programming style. If you use a lot of temporary variables rather than anonymous subexpressions (this is somewhat common among people who use a debugger a lot, and some compilers seem to prefer SIMD code to look like this) then it's very easy for one commented-out line to turn into a whole pile of unused variable warnings that slowly fan out as you "fix" each one in turn (because many expressions simply combine two variables that themselves only exist to be inputs for that expression, and so on in turn). This is terribly galling if you're only commenting something out as a quick (or not, as it turns out...) sanity check while you're trying to debug something. All in all, warnings-as-errors seemed to me like a bum deal. People who don't fix their warnings without warnings-as-errors can't generally be relied on to fix them properly; people who do fix their warnings would have fixed them anyway; everybody is annoyed at some point. In fact, I am actually becoming annoyed just thinking about it again ;)

millstone 13y ago

Have you ever worked on a project that has to build on diverse systems that you may not control, like most open source projects? Inflicting -Werror on yourself is fine, but inflicting it on others is onerous, because there's no way you can guarantee that your code produces no warnings on their compiler with their library and header versions.

coherentpony 13y ago
>Inflicting -Werror on yourself is fine, but inflicting it on others is onerous, because there's no way you can guarantee that your code produces no warnings on their compiler with their library and header versions. This is precisely the reason it is in fact necessary. When writing code that is intended to be portable and is expected to generate reproducible floating-point calculations in numerically intensive calculations, warnings on different platforms and header versions is a godsend. When I receive a bug report that says, "I am using operating system distribution X, version Y, with library version Z, and specific test W produces warnings when I type `make check`," it makes me happy.
- to3m 13y ago
  Why not just use #error? Then the build will crap out in any event. I've found #error to work on a wider range of compilers anyway (I'm not sure #warning is standardized).
redshirtrob 13y ago
I think I would deal with this on a case-by-case basis. If the project was primarily for Objective-C/Apple I think I would use -Werror against the most recent set of tools. My experience writing software for the iOS platform indicates this wouldn't be an onerous initial constraint. And, there's nothing to stop others from changing the build settings. I would absolutely relax the constraint if I was maintaining a large cross-platform OSS project. In that case, I think your criticism is on point. I hadn't considered this situation as I've not been the maintainer of such a system.

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