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That has already started. Cars have had antilock brakes for a long time now. Sometimes those are sensitive enough to harm braking performance when the car is d
by Zak 14y ago
That has already started.
Cars have had antilock brakes for a long time now. Sometimes those are sensitive enough to harm braking performance when the car is driven by an expert under race conditions. It is not uncommon for people building race cars from street cars or racing cars they also drive on the street to disable ABS.
Now, traction/stability control is mandated by law. Worse yet, if there's a switch to disable it or set it to a "sport mode" that intervenes less aggressively, it must reset to full-on every time the engine is started. It's that last bit I really dislike; I generally appreciate help from computers in various aspects of my life, but once I make my intent clear, I want the machine to respect my decisions.
- reustle 14y agoExpert drivers under race conditions? I pull my ABS plugs every winter because it's terrible in snow. Pump the brakes manually and you're much better off than the standard ABS chatter.
- Zak 14y agoI was trying to make my claim as non-controversial as possible. I agree that it fails under a lot of conditions and many above-average drivers are better off without it.
- driverdan 14y agoYou must have a car with terrible ABS. Bad weather such as snow is the only time I prefer ABS. It makes controlled stops in bad conditions much easier and more controlled.
- stinky613 14y agoI had no idea that ESC was required by law. Sure enough, you're right; U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard Rule 126 [1]: "require electronic stability control (ESC) systems on passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, and buses with a gross vehicle weight rating of 4,536 Kg (10,000 pounds) or less" Apparently similar laws exist in Canada, Australia, and the EU. I guess you learn something new every day. [1] http://www.nhtsa.gov/Laws+&+Regulations/Electronic+Stability+Control+(ESC) http://www.nhtsa.gov/Laws+&+Regulations/Electronic+Stabi...
- mmcnickle 14y agoContrary to this, ABS in Formula 1 is banned. It was so successful in reducing braking distances that it was seen to remove much of the skill of the driver, to the detriment of the sporting aspects of the races. Similarly, traction control and stability controls are banned.
- Zak 14y agoTraction control has been permitted in F1 for about ten years now. ABS is still banned. ABS for road cars is usually tuned to prevent wheel lockup and loss of steering control no matter how unreasonable the driver's inputs. I have the feeling that any ABS designed for racing will behave quite differently. Thing is, there aren't any knobs to turn on a road car, so people often just disable it. It would be more fun to have knobs.
- mmcnickle 14y agoTraction control has been banned since 2008: > 9.3 Traction control > No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive torque demand by the driver. > Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel spin is not permitted. Traction control was allowed between 2002-2008. 2008 saw the introduction of standardised, 3rd party ECUs (Engine Control Units). This made the policing of the ban much easier than it had been in the past because teams couldn't reimplement traction control in their own engine firmware. [1] http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8710/fia.html http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/tech...