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...why? Having control of the car requires paying attention to the car and surroundings. I'd rather be able to ignore all that and have more time for reading (w

...why? Having control of the car requires paying attention to the car and surroundings. I'd rather be able to ignore all that and have more time for reading (whether educational or entertainment) and such.

slg 14y ago
Some people actually enjoy driving/flying. That said, in order to get the true efficiency of computer controlled vehicles, it really helps to have them all computer controlled.
- moheeb 14y ago
  I don't believe that anyone truly enjoys driving. If that were the case I could say "I need a ride to North Dakota" and someone would totally be like "yeah I love driving, hop in!" That never happens. People that love surfing will surf at every opportunity you give them, people that love eating will eat nearly anything you put in front of them. People that love driving.....well I need a ride to North Dakota.
  - yew 14y ago
    I enjoy flying, though not driving, and I wouldn't fly you to North Dakota just because you asked me. It's too expensive when you're not doing it for fun. (Also, North Dakota is cold and far away.)
  - Zak 14y ago
    Some people enjoy driving in certain situations. Few people get much enjoyment out of guiding a car down the interstate; it's boring, but breaking concentration can be rapidly fatal. No, I won't drive you to North Dakota. Many people enjoy driving a sports car down a mountain road with light/no traffic though. If you wanted me to drive you from Flagstaff to Sedona[0] in a Mazda Miata, I'd do it happily, over and over. I would rather do that myself than let a computer do it, even if the computer can do it safer and faster. [0] https://maps.google.com/maps?q=flagstaff+to+sedona&saddr=flagstaff&daddr=sedona&hl=en&ll=34.998785,-111.694565&spn=0.284612,0.41851&sll=30.34499,-81.683107&sspn=1.199363,1.674042&geocode=FUghGQIdL4VY-SkxJi7a944thzEAs9vOoTwfjg%3BFewRFAIdoqlW-SkNsEL5MqEthzH9jmz6I8VIVQ&t=h&z=12 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=flagstaff+to+sedona&saddr...
  - slg 14y ago
    That is a silly conclusion to make. For a more HN relevant analogy try replacing driving in your post with coding and a ride to North Dakota with building an MVP. Would you suggest that no one really likes to code or that people should volunteer to work for you with no future expectations just because they enjoy their job?
  - nijiko 14y ago
    I love driving, and it's the reason we were talking about having to jailbreak your future transportational means to begin with. :P
  - jasonlotito 14y ago
    Will someone surf me to North Dakota?
  - jasonlotito 14y ago
    Will someone surf me to North Dakota?
  - driverdan 14y ago
    I love driving. I'd drive you to ND assuming you'd compensate me for the time it'd take from my work. That cost would make it extremely impractical for you to choose that option though. Just because someone loves driving doesn't mean they can't be practical about it.
yew 14y ago
'Control' doesn't necessarily mean 'personally pay attention to all the details'. Even if you let the car/plane/misc operate itself, the legal ramifications of rooting are interesting (presuming you've already reached the point of having cars without manual overrides, that is). Imagine the impact of rooting your car on your insurance, for example.
opminion 14y ago
Agree, in fact driving a car on the road is a very questionable freedom. But some would like to exercise it in spite of restrictions, for a variety of reasons. I had hoped that self-driving cars prevented also others from driving their cars. But the grandparent comment just spoiled my hopes.
- gcr 14y ago
  One trend I see is giving up freedom for safety. I wonder if that trend will continue here.
  - opminion 14y ago
    Given the toll of road traffic in terms of human lives, removing the freedom to choose the precise driving speed and the distance from the preceding vehicles and adjacent lanes, is a no brainer.
    - merlincorey 14y ago
      Because no software ever has bugs under unknown conditions. I think removing (human) brains from the equation will still result in there still being casualties - even if there are much less.
      - gcr 14y ago
        Making a change that lowers the number of failures is the definition of improvement. Devil's advocate: For humans who insist on trying to drive anyway, we can give them race tracks or have designated "Human Driving" areas. It won't ever go away completely.
        jff 14y ago
        "Please step into the 'free speech zone', your opinions are frightening the others"
anonfunction 14y ago
Because I enjoy driving, and I'm sure I would enjoy flying as well. Obviously we weren't talking about manually overriding the system for every commute to the grocery store or even over urban populated areas.
pessimizer 14y ago
What if you have to jailbreak it to get it to go where you want it to go?

slg 14y ago

Some people actually enjoy driving/flying. That said, in order to get the true efficiency of computer controlled vehicles, it really helps to have them all computer controlled.

moheeb 14y ago
I don't believe that anyone truly enjoys driving. If that were the case I could say "I need a ride to North Dakota" and someone would totally be like "yeah I love driving, hop in!" That never happens. People that love surfing will surf at every opportunity you give them, people that love eating will eat nearly anything you put in front of them. People that love driving.....well I need a ride to North Dakota.
- yew 14y ago
  I enjoy flying, though not driving, and I wouldn't fly you to North Dakota just because you asked me. It's too expensive when you're not doing it for fun. (Also, North Dakota is cold and far away.)
- Zak 14y ago
  Some people enjoy driving in certain situations. Few people get much enjoyment out of guiding a car down the interstate; it's boring, but breaking concentration can be rapidly fatal. No, I won't drive you to North Dakota. Many people enjoy driving a sports car down a mountain road with light/no traffic though. If you wanted me to drive you from Flagstaff to Sedona[0] in a Mazda Miata, I'd do it happily, over and over. I would rather do that myself than let a computer do it, even if the computer can do it safer and faster. [0] https://maps.google.com/maps?q=flagstaff+to+sedona&saddr=flagstaff&daddr=sedona&hl=en&ll=34.998785,-111.694565&spn=0.284612,0.41851&sll=30.34499,-81.683107&sspn=1.199363,1.674042&geocode=FUghGQIdL4VY-SkxJi7a944thzEAs9vOoTwfjg%3BFewRFAIdoqlW-SkNsEL5MqEthzH9jmz6I8VIVQ&t=h&z=12 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=flagstaff+to+sedona&saddr...
- slg 14y ago
  That is a silly conclusion to make. For a more HN relevant analogy try replacing driving in your post with coding and a ride to North Dakota with building an MVP. Would you suggest that no one really likes to code or that people should volunteer to work for you with no future expectations just because they enjoy their job?
- nijiko 14y ago
  I love driving, and it's the reason we were talking about having to jailbreak your future transportational means to begin with. :P
- jasonlotito 14y ago
  Will someone surf me to North Dakota?
- jasonlotito 14y ago
  Will someone surf me to North Dakota?
- driverdan 14y ago
  I love driving. I'd drive you to ND assuming you'd compensate me for the time it'd take from my work. That cost would make it extremely impractical for you to choose that option though. Just because someone loves driving doesn't mean they can't be practical about it.

yew 14y ago

'Control' doesn't necessarily mean 'personally pay attention to all the details'. Even if you let the car/plane/misc operate itself, the legal ramifications of rooting are interesting (presuming you've already reached the point of having cars without manual overrides, that is). Imagine the impact of rooting your car on your insurance, for example.

opminion 14y ago

Agree, in fact driving a car on the road is a very questionable freedom. But some would like to exercise it in spite of restrictions, for a variety of reasons. I had hoped that self-driving cars prevented also others from driving their cars. But the grandparent comment just spoiled my hopes.

gcr 14y ago
One trend I see is giving up freedom for safety. I wonder if that trend will continue here.
- opminion 14y ago
  Given the toll of road traffic in terms of human lives, removing the freedom to choose the precise driving speed and the distance from the preceding vehicles and adjacent lanes, is a no brainer.
  - merlincorey 14y ago
    Because no software ever has bugs under unknown conditions. I think removing (human) brains from the equation will still result in there still being casualties - even if there are much less.
    - gcr 14y ago
      Making a change that lowers the number of failures is the definition of improvement. Devil's advocate: For humans who insist on trying to drive anyway, we can give them race tracks or have designated "Human Driving" areas. It won't ever go away completely.
      - jff 14y ago
        "Please step into the 'free speech zone', your opinions are frightening the others"

anonfunction 14y ago

Because I enjoy driving, and I'm sure I would enjoy flying as well. Obviously we weren't talking about manually overriding the system for every commute to the grocery store or even over urban populated areas.

pessimizer 14y ago

What if you have to jailbreak it to get it to go where you want it to go?