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How do female programmers differ from male programmers? I find this offensive. There are better ways to help promote programming among women. Equal salaries for
by anoncow 14y ago
How do female programmers differ from male programmers? I find this offensive. There are better ways to help promote programming among women. Equal salaries for starters could be a real equaliser.
- eridius 14y agoYes, I too am offended that an organization would dare donate anything to the Ada Initiative. Since we obviously live in a post-sexist egalitarian society, any sort of donation to one organization is clearly discriminatory against those not part of or benefitting from the organization! </sarcasm> I'm pretty damn sure GitHub can't affect the salaries of women that aren't direct employees of them. In what way does GitHub doing what it can do, which is donate to an organization like the Ada Initiative, cause offense?
- juridatenshi 14y agoAgreed with you about the donations. Tangentially, it would be cool if GitHub had more diversity in their software engineering staff - that is something they have control over.
- marquis 14y agoA really good way to increase the diversity of your staff is to encourage education for minority groups.
- juridatenshi 14y agoDefinitely. I'm excited they're doing this, and I think it is useful. :) The comment about hiring was mostly an aside as something else I wish they were taking more active efforts with in addition to efforts like this one.
- anoncow 14y agoOn second thoughts, my comment was over the top. Doing something is better than nothing and github is doing something. So kudos to that.
- theorique 14y agoWhat are the data about salary balance between male and female programmers doing the same job / same team? I wonder if anyone has any research, data, or links. (And please no one post that tired old $0.73 number that is averaged over all jobs, all roles, all hours-per-week!)
- marquis 14y agoIt is estimated that 9-12% of programmers are women. I don't have any figures on salaries but most of us don't get to be CEO unless you start your own business.
- theorique 14y agoMakes sense. One thing I'm curious to know is, of that 9-12%, for people hired at the same salary band or experience level[1], would there be differences between men's and women's salaries? And if so, what would they be? In such a case, the comparison would be meaningful. [1] for example, comparing within salary bands or job titles: Associate SE, SE, Senior SE, Principal SE.
- marquis 14y agoA quick google found this which probably means that women tend to rise into middle management quite easily - that's not unusual in most areas. I think the numbers look better than they are because there are not massively larger salaries for programmers as there are for attorneys etc. http://www.gamespot.com/news/average-2012-us-dev-salary-84000-6406397 http://www.gamespot.com/news/average-2012-us-dev-salary-8400... Reading this makes me think: if women make more in the programming sector than any other field, why do we feel so downtrodden? To be honest, aside from a few experiences when I was young I've not experienced any misogyny from my peers, but I do almost daily from customers. I think I may be really happy because I'm with an amazing team who care about each other. I take the time to build my team's character and it pays off when I need the extra support.