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Again, my point is that US citizens Joe and Mary pay taxes, state and federal. Those taxes are used in part to support US higher education: The state taxes sup
by graycat 14y ago
Again, my point is that US citizens
Joe and Mary pay taxes, state and
federal. Those taxes are used in
part to support US higher education:
The state taxes support institutions
in the state of Joe and Mary. The
federal taxes provide support of
various kinds and essentially all
the research at US research universities.
Joe and Mary have children and want
them to get good higher educations
and, then, good jobs for good
careers. But the children still have
to pay to go to college. What they
pay for a state school is high;
for a private school, higher.
So, commonly such US children
skip some or all of college.
Then wonder of wonders, presto,
in US higher education paid for
partly by Joe and Mary, there
are foreign students in seats
the children of Joe and Mary
could not afford to occupy.
And the foreign student only
paid at most 1/3rd of the cost
of the education, not nearly
the full cost. For undergraduate
school, a big question is how
can a student from a poor country
afford the cost of a US education?
For graduate students, the US
NSF has arranged that there will
be STEM graduate students,
US or foreign.
Here Joe and Mary have a very
good reason to feel ripped off.
Why does the US do this? Because
some powerful people in the US
want to flood US STEM fields
with enough students to lower
labor rates in those fields.
So, the policy is to tax Joe
and Mary and use their money
to support foreign STEM students.
Then when those students enter
the US labor market, which some
do, they compete with the children
of Joe and Mary. Again Joe and
Mary feel ripped off.
There are many excuses given for
supporting foreigners in STEM
fields. One of the excuses is
that the foreign students are
better at creating jobs in the
US and, thus, help the children
of Joe and Mary get jobs. That's
saying that the US, with 330
million people, with universities
that dominate the list of the best
universities in the world,
that dominates the Nobel prizes
and the publications at the best
research journals, etc., somehow
is short on people to start
businesses. Nonsense.
Especially nonsense to the US
NSF that set up a group to
do calculations on how many
foreign students would have to
be imported to drive down the
cost of STEM labor. The whole
point was just to drive down
the cost of STEM labor. So,
it's no surprise that the cost
of STEM labor went down. And
the income of the children of
Joe and Mary went down if those
children were in STEM fields.
"By keeping good education for a select few only"
The US does no such thing: There are 330
million people in the US. All or nearly
all the states have state colleges and
universities. And there are private
universities -- Harvard, Stanford, etc.
The best students can go on scholarships.
Otherwise students who can get admitted
can get financial aid if they need it.
Still, often the cost to the student
and/or their family is high. But college
education is the US is not limited
to "the select few" US citizens and would
not be if US universities cut way back on
foreign students.
The US is hurting: The reasons are,
too many foreign wars, too many
foreign military bases, the disaster
of the US inflation caused by
the Viet Nam war that, then, caused
the S&L crisis and likely enabled OPEC,
the disaster of the
housing bubble from efforts to
'spread the home ownership around',
and, heavily, the idea of the US
State Department that for 'world
peace' the US should pursue 'world
trade' by which lower paid US
jobs would go to Japan, Mexico,
Canada, Taiwan, South Korea, India,
Pakistan, and now China. So, the
US has a real unemployment rate of
about 20%, and real incomes have
hardly increased since the Viet Nam
war in about 1960. In the 1950s,
Detroit had a license to print money
and looked like a dream town. Now
Detroit looks like a bombed out WWII
city. Much of US metal manufacturing
in the US Midwest has gone out of
business. Textiles in the Carolinas
have gone. GE got seriously hurt
by Japan. The heirs of Sam Walton
have done well by importing products
from China. Maybe Microsoft has
done well exporting software to
China, although there is the issue
of China not paying for the software.
And now China has decided to move
to Linux as their national operating
system. Likely Intel has done
well selling chips, but they are
close to having their products
copied in Japan, Taiwan, South
Korea, and Germany. And likely
China would like to do the same.
When a US citizen buys an imported
product, often they are paying
twice, once for the product directly
and once more for the 'safety net'
for the US worker who lost his
job making such products.
The US is one of the few countries
in the world that throws open
its markets to foreign countries.
Again, the State Department,
the Walton heirs, Microsoft, etc.
like the situation, but nearly
all the rest of the US is suffering.
People are dying, literally.
The US has to do much better
competing in the world economy,
and for this the US must
quit giving away
its markets, businesses, technology,
intellectual property, and educations.
- eru 14y ago> The US is one of the few countries in the world that throws open its markets to foreign countries. Please see e.g. http://www.economist.com/node/11586026 http://www.economist.com/node/11586026 and observe the correlation between high-income and lower trade barriers. Does your argument still stand?