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I wonder how many false positives and false negatives there are for the monotonic heartbeat test. Could they skip putting the recruits through hell, or do they
by SapphireSun 18y ago
I wonder how many false positives and false negatives there are for the monotonic heartbeat test. Could they skip putting the recruits through hell, or do they learn enough from it that it would still be worth it?
- Liron 18y agoPutting recruits through hell is training, not just a selection task.
- gaius 18y agoIt's all about unit cohesion. The psychology of it is well-understood. People are afraid of failing so are reluctant to push their limits and expose themselves to criticism from their peers. By putting everyone through an ordeal together, everyone sees everyone else suffering, that barrier is broken down. The benefits of this type of training go way beyond the military.
- chriskelley 18y agoPut me with a perfect stranger and give us 80 minutes on the rugby pitch together and it's mind-blowing how fast a deep friendship can form.
- gaius 18y agoYeah, strip everyone down to the basics, no pretences, no bullshit, and we're all basically the same. Well, that's not true. There are those who are willing to do this and those that aren't.
- andyjenn 18y agoNot always, although I know where you are coming from. Pretty soon you can find out whether they're someone you can "go over the trenches" with, no matter what size they might look.
- anamax 18y agoSports both build character and reveal it.
- dejb 18y agoI wonder whether the benefits are for those being trained or those doing the training. It seems to me the greatest trick of waging war is to convince people to put their lives at risk against an enemy that did not originally threaten them. Some people might refer to this phenomena as brain washing.
- gaius 18y agoCops, paramedics and firefighters all put their lives at risk going into situations that did not originally threaten them. Yet no-one would describe them as "brainwashed".
- dejb 18y agoThere is a certain threshold of dangerous and selfless action that defies ordinary logic. In the cases of direct and unambiguous help to others it is called heroism. In cases where the action causes harm to some parties the definition is less clear. In the worst cases it is referred to as terrorism. Either way the readiness to face mortal danger can be used for both good and evil. Whether it represents brainwashing however is a different question.
- greyboy 18y agoThat makes it sound rather subjective, then.
- Tangurena 18y agoNot subjective. It boils down more to feel the fear, but do it anyway. Which is the point of stress innoculation in basic training, police academy, the more advanced stuff of special forces, or even SERE. Grossman's books describe the physiological effects of stress and combat. Some of the responses are also caused by folks not understanding just what has happened to them, and why is their body acting like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival,_Evasion,_Resistance_and_Escape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival,_Evasion,_Resistance_a... High speed driving tends to drive adrenaline levels way up. Police brutality complaints are much higher in the aftermath of high speed pursuits. Yet the tunnel vision and other responses of that kind of driving also affects non-police drivers. We had an incident here in Denver where an ambulance driver t-boned a light rail train. How the heck could someone not see something that's 15 feet tall and 200 feet long? Adrenaline poisoning will do it to you. And I contend that could have been anyone who did that, as well. It takes "innoculation" to learn how your body behaves in these situations, and to do the "right" thing despite what your body wants to do (which in my case is usually puke and soil myself).
- scott_s 18y agoTraining is everything. Having a plan in a bad situation makes all the difference.