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Warning: according to the known issues in the release log [0]: * Skype won't start (without a fix [1]) * Google Chrome won't install (without a fix [2]) [0]

Warning: according to the known issues in the release log [0]: * Skype won't start (without a fix [1]) * Google Chrome won't install (without a fix [2]) [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=226002#c3 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=226002#c...

drstrangevibes 13y ago
this is not necessarily a bad thing
kostya-kow 13y ago
I don't use Skype (imo.im works much better, and you don't have to install any programs), so I don't know anything about it, but Chrome seems to work.
- prawks 13y ago
  Thanks for the plug, imo.im looks really cool! Can't believe I didn't know about it before.
  - prg318 13y ago
    It seems to be the spiritual successor to Meebo webchat. So far its the only web-chat site that I have found that supports Jabber. I would absolutely recommend it!
  - mtgx 13y ago
    imo.im is pretty great. I think they even had (web based) video calls with Skype accounts, at least until Skype restricted that type of access to 3rd parties.
  - TallGuyShort 13y ago
    I use their Android app to stay signed into my professional and personal IM accounts at the same time. It's the best I've found.
- indeyets 13y ago
  imo.im and similar services have one disadvantage: you give keys to all of your communications to additional 3rd party (as if microsoft wasn't enough)
  - TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
    3rd party? Microsoft own Skype.
    - signed0 13y ago
      You give your keys to imo.im.
      - TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
        They said additional 3rd-party, which implies MS is a third-party?
        lobo_tuerto 13y ago
        It is. Isn't it?
        TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
        They aren't. They're the provider of the service.
        homeomorphic 13y ago
        ...and a third party to your conversation with a friend.
- madsravn 13y ago
  Why can't I find a download link for linux anywhere? Oh, there is no download for linux... I'm not much for browser chatting.
- keverets 13y ago
  Jitsi (jitsi.org) does video calling over Jabber and others. Though it's not web based like imo.im, you also don't have to give your access credentials to a third party.
kizza 13y ago
I'm using Chromium from the Ubuntu repository, which is good enough for me until they get it sorted out.
- jfoster 13y ago
  Sounds like you could also use the dev channel Chrome.
pilooch 13y ago
I've upgrade a couple of days ago. Skype works fine, I'm using version 4.1.0.20, not sure if it was upgraded during the process. Chromium works fine.
simoncion 13y ago
I dunno what happens if you install them after you upgreade, but google-chrome and chromium still work for me, as I installed them long before this upgrade. :)
- macco 13y ago
  With chrome it is just in packaging problem - thus chrome is not open source nobody can fix it on their own.
claudius 13y ago
The Skype bug looks like a Multiarch problem and there appears to be a workaround in the bug report: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 skype which is trivial to implement either in a custom .desktop file dropped in ~/.local/share/applications or a custom launch script in /usr/local/bin (or whatever comes before /usr/bin in your path).
- Cthulhu_ 13y ago
  Trivial maybe if you're a power user that knows Linux and Gnome's desktop shortcuts by heart and isn't afraid of hacking, but definitely not for the regular user Ubuntu was intended for a long time ago.
  - claudius 13y ago
    Said user should then have a system administrator to set up the system. Really, you either read the manual to learn such things or you get someone to do them, expecting a system as complex as a computer to work out-of-the-box is nonsense.
    - omegaham 13y ago
      What you seem to be saying is that in order to use a personal computer, you should be an expert. I disagree, and I'm glad that most people disagree as well. User-friendliness is important regardless of what system it is, even Linux. Have you noticed that the most successful distributions of Linux are the ones that are most friendly to beginners? This elitism is destructive and serves only to make the "experts" smug and keep everyone else in the dark. I've found that the real experts are the ones who are writing guides for solving issues so that beginners can solve them too. That way, everyone benefits... and the beginners get to learn too. Almost all of my experience with config files has come from having a problem, Googling it, copy-pasting some commands into the terminal, and then becoming interested and messing around with it.
      - TallGuyShort 13y ago
username111 13y ago
Regarding google chrome it has been fixed on the unstable channel for a while now.
mindstab 13y ago
"Actually, having a workaround by definition lessens the severity, as if someone wants to still run Skype, they can." I don't think everyone is on the same page about Ubuntu being a consumer distro and not a hacker's only distro... I have definitely noticed a decrease in the stability of Ubuntu releases over the years and it's attitudes like this that seem to be in part responsible for it. EDIT: Oh I kept reading, this is better: "Rainer, a better solution for international calls is to stop using Skype (which is closed source, and frequently has problems with its Linux client) and change to a service that supports standard protocols (SIP etc.), e.g. using Ekiga" Yes, the client should change their software and infrastructure to better suit your product... This makes it pretty much impossible for me to "sell" Ubuntu to any of my friends who aren't programmers AND tinkerers (many of my programers are too busy being productive to be interested in dicking around with making things work anymore, and increasingly I hold this view).
- orangethirty 13y ago
  I once bought a laptop which ran Windows 7. The Wifi did not work due to their drivers being broken.
  - rictic 13y ago
    The correct move then is to return it.
    - orangethirty 13y ago
      No. The correct move was to install Ubuntu, which had the correct drivers. Point being that all software has issues. More so if the software is as complicated as an OS with two releases per year.
      - Posibyte 13y ago
        You bought a product and it did not work as advertised. The recommended path would have been to have it serviced or return it to the distributor. You could also attempt to install the correct working drivers, as this most likely would not void your warranty. However, changing the entire OS is a very big not-recommended move on a recently purchased laptop that's having such a simple problem.
anoncow 13y ago
Both bugs appear to be things which a future ubuntu or chrome/skype update should fix. Please correct me if I am wrong.
- jebblue 13y ago
  Linux haters can't stand that Ubuntu can release new OS versions so often. OTOH, I'm tired of the chase and from now on will just stick with the LTS releases. If I were a some years younger though, I'd be there in the thick of every release. Kudos to the makers and the doers of Ubuntu. RedHat, where were/are you.
  - Poyeyo 13y ago
    I have noticed that Ubuntu haters are not Linux haters at all, they are previous Ubuntu users, or simply fans of other distributions. P.S.: RedHat is selling server versions and support for millions of dollars. Ubuntu still is not profitable despite all they have done for the community. It's unfair to me.
ing33k 13y ago
any knows fixes for spotify ?
- emidln 13y ago
  I don't recall needing any fixes for it, but it crashed randomly enough (and not just on Ubuntu) that I switched to their web client.
Poyeyo 13y ago
VMware tools will also not install.
readme 13y ago
This is why I don't use Ubuntu anymore. Every single release they roll out has serious issues interrupting a normal user's workflow. Ubuntu, if you're reading this: please consider testing your releases more thoroughly.
readme 13y ago
Maybe Canonical is releasing bugs on purpose to compete with Microsoft.

drstrangevibes 13y ago

this is not necessarily a bad thing

kostya-kow 13y ago

I don't use Skype (imo.im works much better, and you don't have to install any programs), so I don't know anything about it, but Chrome seems to work.

prawks 13y ago
Thanks for the plug, imo.im looks really cool! Can't believe I didn't know about it before.
- prg318 13y ago
  It seems to be the spiritual successor to Meebo webchat. So far its the only web-chat site that I have found that supports Jabber. I would absolutely recommend it!
- mtgx 13y ago
  imo.im is pretty great. I think they even had (web based) video calls with Skype accounts, at least until Skype restricted that type of access to 3rd parties.
- TallGuyShort 13y ago
  I use their Android app to stay signed into my professional and personal IM accounts at the same time. It's the best I've found.
indeyets 13y ago
imo.im and similar services have one disadvantage: you give keys to all of your communications to additional 3rd party (as if microsoft wasn't enough)
- TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
  3rd party? Microsoft own Skype.
  - signed0 13y ago
    You give your keys to imo.im.
    - TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
      They said additional 3rd-party, which implies MS is a third-party?
      - lobo_tuerto 13y ago
        It is. Isn't it?
        TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
        They aren't. They're the provider of the service.
        homeomorphic 13y ago
        ...and a third party to your conversation with a friend.
madsravn 13y ago
Why can't I find a download link for linux anywhere? Oh, there is no download for linux... I'm not much for browser chatting.
keverets 13y ago
Jitsi (jitsi.org) does video calling over Jabber and others. Though it's not web based like imo.im, you also don't have to give your access credentials to a third party.

kizza 13y ago

I'm using Chromium from the Ubuntu repository, which is good enough for me until they get it sorted out.

jfoster 13y ago
Sounds like you could also use the dev channel Chrome.

pilooch 13y ago

I've upgrade a couple of days ago. Skype works fine, I'm using version 4.1.0.20, not sure if it was upgraded during the process. Chromium works fine.

simoncion 13y ago

I dunno what happens if you install them after you upgreade, but google-chrome and chromium still work for me, as I installed them long before this upgrade. :)

macco 13y ago
With chrome it is just in packaging problem - thus chrome is not open source nobody can fix it on their own.

claudius 13y ago

The Skype bug looks like a Multiarch problem and there appears to be a workaround in the bug report: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 skype which is trivial to implement either in a custom .desktop file dropped in ~/.local/share/applications or a custom launch script in /usr/local/bin (or whatever comes before /usr/bin in your path).

Cthulhu_ 13y ago
Trivial maybe if you're a power user that knows Linux and Gnome's desktop shortcuts by heart and isn't afraid of hacking, but definitely not for the regular user Ubuntu was intended for a long time ago.
- claudius 13y ago
  Said user should then have a system administrator to set up the system. Really, you either read the manual to learn such things or you get someone to do them, expecting a system as complex as a computer to work out-of-the-box is nonsense.
  - omegaham 13y ago
    What you seem to be saying is that in order to use a personal computer, you should be an expert. I disagree, and I'm glad that most people disagree as well. User-friendliness is important regardless of what system it is, even Linux. Have you noticed that the most successful distributions of Linux are the ones that are most friendly to beginners? This elitism is destructive and serves only to make the "experts" smug and keep everyone else in the dark. I've found that the real experts are the ones who are writing guides for solving issues so that beginners can solve them too. That way, everyone benefits... and the beginners get to learn too. Almost all of my experience with config files has come from having a problem, Googling it, copy-pasting some commands into the terminal, and then becoming interested and messing around with it.
    - TallGuyShort 13y ago

username111 13y ago

Regarding google chrome it has been fixed on the unstable channel for a while now.

mindstab 13y ago

"Actually, having a workaround by definition lessens the severity, as if someone wants to still run Skype, they can." I don't think everyone is on the same page about Ubuntu being a consumer distro and not a hacker's only distro... I have definitely noticed a decrease in the stability of Ubuntu releases over the years and it's attitudes like this that seem to be in part responsible for it. EDIT: Oh I kept reading, this is better: "Rainer, a better solution for international calls is to stop using Skype (which is closed source, and frequently has problems with its Linux client) and change to a service that supports standard protocols (SIP etc.), e.g. using Ekiga" Yes, the client should change their software and infrastructure to better suit your product... This makes it pretty much impossible for me to "sell" Ubuntu to any of my friends who aren't programmers AND tinkerers (many of my programers are too busy being productive to be interested in dicking around with making things work anymore, and increasingly I hold this view).

orangethirty 13y ago
I once bought a laptop which ran Windows 7. The Wifi did not work due to their drivers being broken.
- rictic 13y ago
  The correct move then is to return it.
  - orangethirty 13y ago
    No. The correct move was to install Ubuntu, which had the correct drivers. Point being that all software has issues. More so if the software is as complicated as an OS with two releases per year.
    - Posibyte 13y ago
      You bought a product and it did not work as advertised. The recommended path would have been to have it serviced or return it to the distributor. You could also attempt to install the correct working drivers, as this most likely would not void your warranty. However, changing the entire OS is a very big not-recommended move on a recently purchased laptop that's having such a simple problem.

anoncow 13y ago

Both bugs appear to be things which a future ubuntu or chrome/skype update should fix. Please correct me if I am wrong.

jebblue 13y ago
Linux haters can't stand that Ubuntu can release new OS versions so often. OTOH, I'm tired of the chase and from now on will just stick with the LTS releases. If I were a some years younger though, I'd be there in the thick of every release. Kudos to the makers and the doers of Ubuntu. RedHat, where were/are you.
- Poyeyo 13y ago
  I have noticed that Ubuntu haters are not Linux haters at all, they are previous Ubuntu users, or simply fans of other distributions. P.S.: RedHat is selling server versions and support for millions of dollars. Ubuntu still is not profitable despite all they have done for the community. It's unfair to me.

ing33k 13y ago

any knows fixes for spotify ?

emidln 13y ago
I don't recall needing any fixes for it, but it crashed randomly enough (and not just on Ubuntu) that I switched to their web client.

Poyeyo 13y ago

VMware tools will also not install.

readme 13y ago

This is why I don't use Ubuntu anymore. Every single release they roll out has serious issues interrupting a normal user's workflow. Ubuntu, if you're reading this: please consider testing your releases more thoroughly.

readme 13y ago

Maybe Canonical is releasing bugs on purpose to compete with Microsoft.