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For anyone willing to relocate, Norway is desperate for engineers and developers. Everybody gets 25 days vacation, near-free medical services, insurance and pen

by csl 13y ago

For anyone willing to relocate, Norway is desperate for engineers and developers. Everybody gets 25 days vacation, near-free medical services, insurance and pension covered by employer, 40-hour working week being the norm, etc.

precisioncoder 13y ago
I don't live in Norway but I do want to say if you get the chance to go there it may be worthwhile... After all they are #1 in the world on the human development index... http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/NOR.html http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/NOR.html
trobertson 13y ago
Do you know any of those companies offhand? I'm looking around for jobs right now, but wouldn't know where to start looking for Norwegian jobs.
- kal00ma 13y ago
  no.indeed.com indexes all the major norwegian job sites. I suggest going there and just searching for "python" or "java" in the "hva" (what) field. Also, ARM has a branch in Trondheim and last I saw they were hiring software engineers.
zizee 13y ago
What sort of salary does an experience developer earn in Norway vs cost of living?
- kal00ma 13y ago
  Salaries aren't as awesome as in San Francisco. As an entry level dev you'll make around 450000-500000NOK (~80k USD). With a Master's or more experience, working in the private sector you get ~100k USD. Cost of living is significantly higher than in the states, but you get healthcare for free, and if you don't eat out every night or buy flashy cars you'll be fine financially.
seivan 13y ago
Pension might not be available when the person get old. Near-free medical comes with loooong waiting lines just because the company doesn't want to spend money on real insurance. 40 hour work week is a lie. Its a damn lie and is a lie. Also, you forgot to mention your living costs and taxes. Then again, I'd take Norway over Sweden just because Sweden is fucked and Norway is pretty responsible financially and is doing well with it's oil reserves.
- kal00ma 13y ago
  I'm working in Norway currently. For what reasons could your pension be denied when you become old? (Assuming you are a permanent resident by the time you want to collect). I've found in the government jobs, the <= 40hr week is pretty much guaranteed. I agree that the waiting times are a little crazy--I had to wait 3 months to see a specialist after a recommendation from my fastlege.
  - seivan 13y ago
    Do your research regarding the pensions. They can deny you in terms like the country being piss poor. England has done it, Hungary just did it recently, England is planning on doing it again.
- capisce 13y ago
  > 40 hour work week is a lie. Its a damn lie and is a lie. How so? As a Norwegian software engineer that's not my experience. Btw, Norway actually has a 37.5 hour work week, the 40 hour quoted is including half an hour of lunch each day.
- csl 13y ago
  I'm talking about occupational pensions, which I believe is in addition to the one given by state. I'd be happy to hear any comments on this. The 40-hour work week is the norm --- it most definitely is not a lie. Of course, some high-end jobs, e.g., in finance, will naturally require more but usually pays more as well. I can't comment on living expenses. If you come from the Bay Area, you'll probably find them low in most of Norway. I don't think taxes are particularly high, when comparing your whole economy. E.g., you don't need extra medical insurance, you don't need to save for your children's college tuition, etc. I pay around 30-40% on a decent pay. But --- yes, it's not all bliss. But given the situation in large parts of Europe, Norway's strong economy and low unemployment, I'd recommend people to take a look.
vijayr 13y ago
How easy is the immigration process?
- csl 13y ago
  No idea, but you can start here: http://www.norway.org/studywork/work/work/ http://www.norway.org/studywork/work/work/
jdotjdot 13y ago
Thanks for posting about this. I know I've found the resulting conversation helpful, and I bet many others have as well who are looking for meaningful work with a sustainable lifestyle.

by csl 13y ago

precisioncoder 13y ago

I don't live in Norway but I do want to say if you get the chance to go there it may be worthwhile... After all they are #1 in the world on the human development index... http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/NOR.html http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/NOR.html

trobertson 13y ago

Do you know any of those companies offhand? I'm looking around for jobs right now, but wouldn't know where to start looking for Norwegian jobs.

kal00ma 13y ago
no.indeed.com indexes all the major norwegian job sites. I suggest going there and just searching for "python" or "java" in the "hva" (what) field. Also, ARM has a branch in Trondheim and last I saw they were hiring software engineers.

zizee 13y ago

What sort of salary does an experience developer earn in Norway vs cost of living?

kal00ma 13y ago
Salaries aren't as awesome as in San Francisco. As an entry level dev you'll make around 450000-500000NOK (~80k USD). With a Master's or more experience, working in the private sector you get ~100k USD. Cost of living is significantly higher than in the states, but you get healthcare for free, and if you don't eat out every night or buy flashy cars you'll be fine financially.

seivan 13y ago

Pension might not be available when the person get old. Near-free medical comes with loooong waiting lines just because the company doesn't want to spend money on real insurance. 40 hour work week is a lie. Its a damn lie and is a lie. Also, you forgot to mention your living costs and taxes. Then again, I'd take Norway over Sweden just because Sweden is fucked and Norway is pretty responsible financially and is doing well with it's oil reserves.

kal00ma 13y ago
I'm working in Norway currently. For what reasons could your pension be denied when you become old? (Assuming you are a permanent resident by the time you want to collect). I've found in the government jobs, the <= 40hr week is pretty much guaranteed. I agree that the waiting times are a little crazy--I had to wait 3 months to see a specialist after a recommendation from my fastlege.
- seivan 13y ago
  Do your research regarding the pensions. They can deny you in terms like the country being piss poor. England has done it, Hungary just did it recently, England is planning on doing it again.
capisce 13y ago
> 40 hour work week is a lie. Its a damn lie and is a lie. How so? As a Norwegian software engineer that's not my experience. Btw, Norway actually has a 37.5 hour work week, the 40 hour quoted is including half an hour of lunch each day.
csl 13y ago
I'm talking about occupational pensions, which I believe is in addition to the one given by state. I'd be happy to hear any comments on this. The 40-hour work week is the norm --- it most definitely is not a lie. Of course, some high-end jobs, e.g., in finance, will naturally require more but usually pays more as well. I can't comment on living expenses. If you come from the Bay Area, you'll probably find them low in most of Norway. I don't think taxes are particularly high, when comparing your whole economy. E.g., you don't need extra medical insurance, you don't need to save for your children's college tuition, etc. I pay around 30-40% on a decent pay. But --- yes, it's not all bliss. But given the situation in large parts of Europe, Norway's strong economy and low unemployment, I'd recommend people to take a look.

vijayr 13y ago

How easy is the immigration process?

csl 13y ago
No idea, but you can start here: http://www.norway.org/studywork/work/work/ http://www.norway.org/studywork/work/work/

jdotjdot 13y ago

Thanks for posting about this. I know I've found the resulting conversation helpful, and I bet many others have as well who are looking for meaningful work with a sustainable lifestyle.