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It's the same old, same old: It's an old story that somehow too many powerful people in the US Federal Government want to do 'US national technical manpower ma
by graycat 14y ago
It's the same old, same old: It's an
old story that somehow too many powerful
people in the US Federal Government want
to do 'US national technical manpower
management'.
E.g., when Sputnik went up, the Feds via
the NSF flooded US high school and college
education with money, scholarships,
summer programs, etc. to get more US
citizens into STEM fields.
During the Cold War and the Space Race,
STEM students were paid nearly well
enough to buy a house; then the powers
that be got really scared.
But, with the stimulus, soon
the supply exceeded the demand; US
citizens who walked into a college STEM
course saw the TA and half of the students
from Asia or India, turned, and walked out.
So, right: Joe and Mary paid taxes to
support public education K-college and
graduate school. For their children
they struggled to meet college expenses.
And when their children went to college,
somehow they found lots of students
there from India and Asia. How come?
These students were from families with
annual incomes less than $10,000 yet
somehow got their children into the
college supported by the taxes of Joe and
Mary when Joe and Mary had to struggle
to pay for their children in that college?
Bummer. Sure: The students from India
and China were there on various scholarships,
indirectly paid for by Joe and Mary. Bummer.
Ripoff.
During the Viet Nam war, the head of the
Selective Service system was old General
Louis B. Hershey with the remark that
"The US Selective Service System has
national manpower management responsibilities
far exceeding staffing the armed forces."
by which he meant that US young men had
two, just two, options, (1) do well in
college or graduate school in STEM fields
or (2) go to Viet Nam. Of course, that
'responsibility' was only
in his egotistical imagination; still
he executed on his delusion.
Later much of the US 'military industrial
complex' concluded that there was a
US STEM shortage. So, the powers that be
got the NSF to set up a team of economists
to calculate, with essentially supply
and demand curves, how much 'stimulus'
would be needed to increase the labor
supply.
The stimulus didn't work well for US
citizens, so the plan was to write into
research grants in US research universities
that with the grant money so many students
had to be supported and that, hint, hint,
there were plenty of willing students from
India and Asia, hint, hint.
Then there got to be the H1B scam, mostly
just a new version of 'indentured servitude'
or 'slave labor'.
Basically, anytime STEM worker bees get
paid well enough to buy a house, big
forces in the US move to flood the
market with STEM graduates.
It's dirt simple: It's capital versus
labor. Capital has power and wants
cheap labor.
These US powers that be are just seeking
more money and power and, net, are seriously
hurting the basic strength of the US.
The solution is for US voters to become
informed and come together and vote
for the US for the US as a whole and
not just for the 1% richest capitalists.
Of course there's more at Prof. Norm
Matloff's
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b.html
- parennoob 14y agoThis comment seems slightly overwrought and racist to me, specially this part, "US citizens who walked into a college STEM course saw the TA and half of the students from Asia or India, turned, and walked out." -- Really? I don't see an option to downvote here, but if I could, I would definitely do that for this.
- eru 14y agoYou need more karma to downvote. Otherwise, it seems to me more like graycat is describing racism, but you can't tell greycat would support it based on that comment.
- graycat 14y agoI'll put it to you this way: I'm of Western European descent, England and Germany. Still, no way do I want the US Federal Government to flood US STEM classes with students from England and Germany. This view is not racism. Here is one thing it really is: The US is getting badly hurt in the world economy. The real unemployment rate is ballpark 20%. The US is creating boom times in several other countries. Well, one way for the US to help itself is for the US to continue to have a great college and university system and, then, keep those educations for US citizens. That is, US citizens are paying for those institutions and, thus, should be able to 'keep' the 'intellectual property' and other advantages inside the US. So, it is now strongly in the interest of US citizens to move not to let any foreign students in US colleges or universities. It is in the interest of US tax payers to pay to educate the US but not the world that wants to compete with the US economy.
- eru 14y agoIn contrast, British universities are actually financed by the oversees students. By keeping good education for a select few only, you do not actually help the US absolutely, you just make the other people less well off. (And even the US, but perhaps less so.)
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