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"and the reputation" "I wanted to work in finance and so Wharton was a good place to go." That's what the old-boys-network IS. It's not literally people smoki

by fyi80 13y ago

"and the reputation" "I wanted to work in finance and so Wharton was a good place to go." That's what the old-boys-network IS. It's not literally people smoking cigars, it's the preferential treatment you receive for having the brand name on your degree.

dopamean 13y ago
No I dont think that's what it is. I wanted to go to Wharton because it is the most rigorous undergraduate finance program in the country. And that is why it has a good reputation.
- argonaut 13y ago
  As someone who works with someone who got an undergrad degree from Wharton, I seriously do not believe you. But I'll assume you are telling the truth - even if so, it certainly does not apply to 90% of Wharton's student body. By my co-worker's own admission, finance is all about prestige, and the primary reason he went to Wharton is because of the name and how it gets you into IB jobs, not because of its rigor. In fact, he didn't want to go to a rigorous school but liked Penn because it was more of a party school than other Ivies.
  - dopamean 13y ago
    I'd like to add that there are about a dozen other concentrations at Wharton that are not related to finance. Most people at Wharton dont concentrate in finance partly because there are a lot of very douchey people, like your coworker, who do in an attempt to get rich or something. Most people at Wharton are there for the rigor. Your coworker went to Wharton for the wrong reasons and thinks everyone else did too.
    - argonaut 13y ago
      Again, I'd like to point out how useless anecdotes are. Your arguments only reinforce that point. Business is just as prestige driven as finance (management consulting, Fortune 500, etc.).
      - dopamean 13y ago
        I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
- cdrxndr 13y ago
  It's about recruitment. Every IBank and top tier consulting firm recruits heavily from the Wharton graduating class. That's what you're paying for. You're also getting the opportunity (not guarantee) to get a top tier education - but that can be gotten anywhere. Study for the CFA tests if you really want to know finance. Go to Wharton if you want to get a job. Was going to jibe about "high paying" job, but that's not really it. It's just any competitive placement benefits from active recruitment.
jlgreco 13y ago
Would you say that electrical engineers from MIT benefit from an "old-boys-network"?
- dopamean 13y ago
  They must because that is the only reason anyone goes to a top school.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    I do hope that is sarcasm. MIT has the reputation of giving a world class, rigorous, education. People who attend MIT attend it because they know they will have the opportunity to receive that education. Any school that is capable of giving an education of similar quality has a similar reputation. Claiming that the point of an education from a school like MIT is the "old-boys-network" is in essence confusing the effect with the cause.
    - dopamean 13y ago
      It is definitely sarcasm. I said that in reference to a conversation I had with someone elsewhere in the comments here about my education at Wharton.
- sschaevitz 13y ago
  Yes, in the sense that an EE degree from MIT is a heuristic of sorts. It's got some differing qualities, but at the end of the day that heuristic will make a difference for two otherwise comparable job applicants, say. Konstantin Guericke, one of the co-founders of LinkedIn, now offers coaching and mentoring to students and would-be entrepreneurs. But because he's deluged with requests, he tends to give preference to students from his alma mater, Stanford's engineering school. "I don't feel a Stanford student is better than another one," he said. But "since there are so many, I use that as a filter." http://www.cnbc.com/id/49465579 http://www.cnbc.com/id/49465579
- nicolethenerd 13y ago
  I think we need to separate out the term "old boys" from "network." One of the most valuable things you get from going to a top school, whether MIT, Ivy League, or otherwise - is exposure to a network. They're not necessarily the "old boys" you guys are picturing, with money and power and political connections, but the folks who are starting companies, doing the most cutting-edge research... if you go to a school like MIT, you're surrounded by people like this - and you'll be able to reach out to these people for the rest of your life. And this can be very useful... when you're looking for a cofounder, or a guest speaker in a specific field to talk to a group of students, or you want someone to pass on your resume at company X, for example. If you go to a lower tier school, no matter how smart and motivated you are, it will be much harder to forge the same kind of network.

by fyi80 13y ago

dopamean 13y ago

No I dont think that's what it is. I wanted to go to Wharton because it is the most rigorous undergraduate finance program in the country. And that is why it has a good reputation.

argonaut 13y ago
As someone who works with someone who got an undergrad degree from Wharton, I seriously do not believe you. But I'll assume you are telling the truth - even if so, it certainly does not apply to 90% of Wharton's student body. By my co-worker's own admission, finance is all about prestige, and the primary reason he went to Wharton is because of the name and how it gets you into IB jobs, not because of its rigor. In fact, he didn't want to go to a rigorous school but liked Penn because it was more of a party school than other Ivies.
- dopamean 13y ago
  I'd like to add that there are about a dozen other concentrations at Wharton that are not related to finance. Most people at Wharton dont concentrate in finance partly because there are a lot of very douchey people, like your coworker, who do in an attempt to get rich or something. Most people at Wharton are there for the rigor. Your coworker went to Wharton for the wrong reasons and thinks everyone else did too.
  - argonaut 13y ago
    Again, I'd like to point out how useless anecdotes are. Your arguments only reinforce that point. Business is just as prestige driven as finance (management consulting, Fortune 500, etc.).
    - dopamean 13y ago
      I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
cdrxndr 13y ago
It's about recruitment. Every IBank and top tier consulting firm recruits heavily from the Wharton graduating class. That's what you're paying for. You're also getting the opportunity (not guarantee) to get a top tier education - but that can be gotten anywhere. Study for the CFA tests if you really want to know finance. Go to Wharton if you want to get a job. Was going to jibe about "high paying" job, but that's not really it. It's just any competitive placement benefits from active recruitment.

jlgreco 13y ago

Would you say that electrical engineers from MIT benefit from an "old-boys-network"?

dopamean 13y ago
They must because that is the only reason anyone goes to a top school.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  I do hope that is sarcasm. MIT has the reputation of giving a world class, rigorous, education. People who attend MIT attend it because they know they will have the opportunity to receive that education. Any school that is capable of giving an education of similar quality has a similar reputation. Claiming that the point of an education from a school like MIT is the "old-boys-network" is in essence confusing the effect with the cause.
  - dopamean 13y ago
    It is definitely sarcasm. I said that in reference to a conversation I had with someone elsewhere in the comments here about my education at Wharton.
sschaevitz 13y ago
Yes, in the sense that an EE degree from MIT is a heuristic of sorts. It's got some differing qualities, but at the end of the day that heuristic will make a difference for two otherwise comparable job applicants, say. Konstantin Guericke, one of the co-founders of LinkedIn, now offers coaching and mentoring to students and would-be entrepreneurs. But because he's deluged with requests, he tends to give preference to students from his alma mater, Stanford's engineering school. "I don't feel a Stanford student is better than another one," he said. But "since there are so many, I use that as a filter." http://www.cnbc.com/id/49465579 http://www.cnbc.com/id/49465579
nicolethenerd 13y ago
I think we need to separate out the term "old boys" from "network." One of the most valuable things you get from going to a top school, whether MIT, Ivy League, or otherwise - is exposure to a network. They're not necessarily the "old boys" you guys are picturing, with money and power and political connections, but the folks who are starting companies, doing the most cutting-edge research... if you go to a school like MIT, you're surrounded by people like this - and you'll be able to reach out to these people for the rest of your life. And this can be very useful... when you're looking for a cofounder, or a guest speaker in a specific field to talk to a group of students, or you want someone to pass on your resume at company X, for example. If you go to a lower tier school, no matter how smart and motivated you are, it will be much harder to forge the same kind of network.