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Obviously the school you attend doesn't determine your future, but it matters. Harvard is better than UW and any other state school. You could share whatever st

by kolbe 14y ago

Obviously the school you attend doesn't determine your future, but it matters. Harvard is better than UW and any other state school. You could share whatever stats you want, but Harvard is better, and using racism (lets call race-based discrimination what it really is) to limit a race's access to a better school is not something that misinterpreting CEO stats will ease.

mindcrime 14y ago
Obviously the school you attend doesn't determine your future, but it matters. Harvard is better than UW and any other state school. You could share whatever stats you want, but Harvard is better Maybe it is, but quantify that. And compare the best care outcomes from attending Harvard with people's actual ambitions. For most people, I still contend that going to Harvard (or not) is fairly irrelevant. and using racism (lets call race-based discrimination what it really is) to limit a race's access to a better school is not something that misinterpreting CEO stats will ease. Again, just to be clear, I am not trying to support racism or any sort of discrimination. I think admissions should be strictly race-blind, gender-blind, ethnicity-blind, religion-blind, etc. I'm just pointing out that if you get excluded from your $IVY_OF_CHOICE for whatever reason, you aren't consigned to the scrap heap of life. It's not the end of the world, and it's probably not even a big deal for most people. Now if you absolutely, 110% have your heart set on getting elected President someday, then I guess all bets are off.
geebee 14y ago
"Harvard is better than UW and any other state school." Well, I can't let that statement go by without challenging it. At the PhD level, I just don't agree that Harvard is better than UC Berkeley overall. It's pretty close, but I think UCB has slightly greater breadth and depth at the PhD level. http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2010/09/28/nrc-rankings/ http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2010/09/28/nrc-rankings/ Like I said in an earlier comment, there is a type of very high achieving undergraduate who looks at and engages with a university more the way a grad student would. There are plenty of reasons someone like this might choose UCB or UMich over an ivy league school.

by kolbe 14y ago

Obviously the school you attend doesn't determine your future, but it matters. Harvard is better than UW and any other state school. You could share whatever stats you want, but Harvard is better, and using racism (lets call race-based discrimination what it really is) to limit a race's access to a better school is not something that misinterpreting CEO stats will ease.

mindcrime 14y ago

Obviously the school you attend doesn't determine your future, but it matters. Harvard is better than UW and any other state school. You could share whatever stats you want, but Harvard is better Maybe it is, but quantify that. And compare the best care outcomes from attending Harvard with people's actual ambitions. For most people, I still contend that going to Harvard (or not) is fairly irrelevant. and using racism (lets call race-based discrimination what it really is) to limit a race's access to a better school is not something that misinterpreting CEO stats will ease. Again, just to be clear, I am not trying to support racism or any sort of discrimination. I think admissions should be strictly race-blind, gender-blind, ethnicity-blind, religion-blind, etc. I'm just pointing out that if you get excluded from your $IVY_OF_CHOICE for whatever reason, you aren't consigned to the scrap heap of life. It's not the end of the world, and it's probably not even a big deal for most people. Now if you absolutely, 110% have your heart set on getting elected President someday, then I guess all bets are off.

geebee 14y ago

"Harvard is better than UW and any other state school." Well, I can't let that statement go by without challenging it. At the PhD level, I just don't agree that Harvard is better than UC Berkeley overall. It's pretty close, but I think UCB has slightly greater breadth and depth at the PhD level. http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2010/09/28/nrc-rankings/ http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2010/09/28/nrc-rankings/ Like I said in an earlier comment, there is a type of very high achieving undergraduate who looks at and engages with a university more the way a grad student would. There are plenty of reasons someone like this might choose UCB or UMich over an ivy league school.