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For something referred to as cred. This is a mix of social status, proof of skills, and attitude. Gangs use cred as a way to measure the value of their members.

For something referred to as cred. This is a mix of social status, proof of skills, and attitude. Gangs use cred as a way to measure the value of their members. A person who brags about doing illegal things is only doing so to elevate his cred. Having street cred is more valuable than money in many circles. Due to how it allows a person to operate within a limited set of rules inside a community. A gang member with a lot of cred can simply do things other members cannot. Such as having first pick at food, housing, vehicles, and money.

Oxxide 14y ago
to my dismay, internet cred does not share a 1:1 ratio with street cred.
- orangethirty 14y ago
  Depends on various factors. It may be valued higher. Posting online nets a wider audience.
- dobbsbob 14y ago
  Internet cred applies to pen cred surprisingly. If you go down for hacking and do not become an informant, you will find job offers inside the pen for teaching other criminals comsec so they can run their outside drug operations. If they can read about you then it applies to your standings in the pen hierarchy. That's why prison is never rehab for hackers. They just network with the street criminals and come out super criminals with full cred like Max Vision or the software developer kid here where I live that did a bid for bank fraud, met some gangsters in prison, paroled as a ranking member in their violent dial a dope crew and police have been unable to break up the gang since he joined and took over the comsec and allegedly money laundering for them. They accused him of being able to leak the whereabouts of rivals to his own gang too by social engineering the media and police, plus hacking their blackberries. Strong security knowledge + violent criminal pact with bikers = not good
  - MartinMond 14y ago
    How do you know stuff like this? Can you recommend a good book that covers recent history?
    - dontstealmyname 14y ago
      You might find this book interesting. http://www.amazon.com/Kingpin-Hacker-Billion-Dollar-Cybercrime-Underground/dp/0307588696 http://www.amazon.com/Kingpin-Hacker-Billion-Dollar-Cybercri... I've read it and can confirm its a good read. I think this guy was arrested in 2005 or 2007 but that's going on memory from over a year ago.
      - SageRaven 14y ago
        Good, entertaining read. I get the impression it was sanitized a great deal, because I was sorely disappointed with the lack of technical meat-n-potatoes. For instance, the author totally glossed over how they recovered the data from his encrypted storage at the end. Was the PC left on and the screen not locked? Cold boot attack? Brute force? Hell, they didn't even specify exactly which crypto software was used.
        dobbsbob 13y ago
        He fell asleep while he left his servers on. So they simply siphoned the keys from memory. He used some proprietary Israeli made encryption software and FreeBSD, but it didn't matter because everything including Truecrypt keeps your keys in memory when mounted. Even if his server was off, they could have broken into his safehouse and sabotaged the unencrypted bootloader. Only defense against this is use OpenBSD 5.3 which allows booting from fully encrypted drives, or keep your unencrypted boot partition on a usb stick you carry around.

Oxxide 14y ago

to my dismay, internet cred does not share a 1:1 ratio with street cred.

orangethirty 14y ago
Depends on various factors. It may be valued higher. Posting online nets a wider audience.
dobbsbob 14y ago
Internet cred applies to pen cred surprisingly. If you go down for hacking and do not become an informant, you will find job offers inside the pen for teaching other criminals comsec so they can run their outside drug operations. If they can read about you then it applies to your standings in the pen hierarchy. That's why prison is never rehab for hackers. They just network with the street criminals and come out super criminals with full cred like Max Vision or the software developer kid here where I live that did a bid for bank fraud, met some gangsters in prison, paroled as a ranking member in their violent dial a dope crew and police have been unable to break up the gang since he joined and took over the comsec and allegedly money laundering for them. They accused him of being able to leak the whereabouts of rivals to his own gang too by social engineering the media and police, plus hacking their blackberries. Strong security knowledge + violent criminal pact with bikers = not good
- MartinMond 14y ago
  How do you know stuff like this? Can you recommend a good book that covers recent history?
  - dontstealmyname 14y ago
    You might find this book interesting. http://www.amazon.com/Kingpin-Hacker-Billion-Dollar-Cybercrime-Underground/dp/0307588696 http://www.amazon.com/Kingpin-Hacker-Billion-Dollar-Cybercri... I've read it and can confirm its a good read. I think this guy was arrested in 2005 or 2007 but that's going on memory from over a year ago.
    - SageRaven 14y ago
      Good, entertaining read. I get the impression it was sanitized a great deal, because I was sorely disappointed with the lack of technical meat-n-potatoes. For instance, the author totally glossed over how they recovered the data from his encrypted storage at the end. Was the PC left on and the screen not locked? Cold boot attack? Brute force? Hell, they didn't even specify exactly which crypto software was used.
      - dobbsbob 13y ago
        He fell asleep while he left his servers on. So they simply siphoned the keys from memory. He used some proprietary Israeli made encryption software and FreeBSD, but it didn't matter because everything including Truecrypt keeps your keys in memory when mounted. Even if his server was off, they could have broken into his safehouse and sabotaged the unencrypted bootloader. Only defense against this is use OpenBSD 5.3 which allows booting from fully encrypted drives, or keep your unencrypted boot partition on a usb stick you carry around.