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A fellow robs my house. I catch him and hold him for the police. He complains, "No fair! Most robberies are unsolved because we lack the manpower to chase every

A fellow robs my house. I catch him and hold him for the police. He complains, "No fair! Most robberies are unsolved because we lack the manpower to chase every lead!!" Lie is indeed "unfair" to him in some statistical sense, but I am absolutely not being "unfair" to him in a moral sense. Or to put it another way, the reality of the Internet as you describe it is that a certain %age of copyright violations go unpurusued. It's a statistical model, just as it's a statistical model that a certain number of robberies are unsolved and a certain number of people are killed by lightening. Is that unfair? It may seem so when you're being struck by lightening, but someone has to be struck by lightening. Likewise, given enough copyright violations, someone is going to be called out. Today the blow falls on Elise.

scotty79 14y ago
Your analogy to reposting is a robbery? Really? Mine is, telling your friends a joke without bothering to establish who originally invented it.
- robertpateii 14y ago
  I'd say the truth is somewhere in between. Closer to a comedian using another comedian's joke.
  - scotty79 14y ago
    Is that because even though the show is free performer gets 2% of the popcorn viewers choose to buy? Original authors of the jokes either don't earn any money with them or do it similar way that the "joke thief" does. Only they are not that popular as he is. I think reposting is much less of an offence then one proffessional comediant using joke of another one without proper attribution.
    - sesqu 14y ago
      "Stealing" jokes is very much frowned upon, but at least in performing arts, much relies on delivery. The same is not true for static arts, where poor attribution ranges from forgery to plagiarism.
      - scotty79 14y ago
        IFLS delivery is unique for this content.
        sesqu 14y ago
        That's true, but it's not as significant a difference as interpretative art. The original still dominates. Good point, though. Delivery of embedded content is often ignored.
        scotty79 14y ago
        Significant enough to be considered valuable by millions of viewers.
        sesqu 14y ago
        I don't think we're using the same words to mean the same things.
- cf 14y ago
  It's not like many of the original artists want a payout. They just want attribution.
  - illuminate 14y ago
    These things usually have passed around the internet several times before it gets to the meme aggregators, I wish there was a better solution than watermarking. Tineye/GIS would theoretically work, but it'd find every instance where the meme was passed around, not its origin! Do you have a suggesting for finding each "owner"? Such requirements would shut down all these sites (not that we'd have a huge loss by doing so, but I'd like to think that a social/technological solution would be possible.)
  - scotty79 13y ago
    The problem is that because you can be rightfully extorted by original author you have little incentive to keep and acknowledge attribution. It's better to pretend that given image came from the cloud. That's how copyright enforcers again make it worse for all creative people.

scotty79 14y ago

Your analogy to reposting is a robbery? Really? Mine is, telling your friends a joke without bothering to establish who originally invented it.

robertpateii 14y ago
I'd say the truth is somewhere in between. Closer to a comedian using another comedian's joke.
- scotty79 14y ago
  Is that because even though the show is free performer gets 2% of the popcorn viewers choose to buy? Original authors of the jokes either don't earn any money with them or do it similar way that the "joke thief" does. Only they are not that popular as he is. I think reposting is much less of an offence then one proffessional comediant using joke of another one without proper attribution.
  - sesqu 14y ago
    "Stealing" jokes is very much frowned upon, but at least in performing arts, much relies on delivery. The same is not true for static arts, where poor attribution ranges from forgery to plagiarism.
    - scotty79 14y ago
      IFLS delivery is unique for this content.
      - sesqu 14y ago
        That's true, but it's not as significant a difference as interpretative art. The original still dominates. Good point, though. Delivery of embedded content is often ignored.
        scotty79 14y ago
        Significant enough to be considered valuable by millions of viewers.
        sesqu 14y ago
        I don't think we're using the same words to mean the same things.
cf 14y ago
It's not like many of the original artists want a payout. They just want attribution.
- illuminate 14y ago
  These things usually have passed around the internet several times before it gets to the meme aggregators, I wish there was a better solution than watermarking. Tineye/GIS would theoretically work, but it'd find every instance where the meme was passed around, not its origin! Do you have a suggesting for finding each "owner"? Such requirements would shut down all these sites (not that we'd have a huge loss by doing so, but I'd like to think that a social/technological solution would be possible.)
- scotty79 13y ago
  The problem is that because you can be rightfully extorted by original author you have little incentive to keep and acknowledge attribution. It's better to pretend that given image came from the cloud. That's how copyright enforcers again make it worse for all creative people.