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I don't know if it's necessarily fair to call out "I F*cking Love Science". The same could be said about Reddit/9gag/thousands of other Facebook groups/etc. It
by gkoberger 14y ago
I don't know if it's necessarily fair to call out "I F*cking Love Science". The same could be said about Reddit/9gag/thousands of other Facebook groups/etc.
It's an Internet-wide problem, not just one FB group.
- raganwald 14y agoA fellow robs my house. I catch him and hold him for the police. He complains, "No fair! Most robberies are unsolved because we lack the manpower to chase every lead!!" Lie is indeed "unfair" to him in some statistical sense, but I am absolutely not being "unfair" to him in a moral sense. Or to put it another way, the reality of the Internet as you describe it is that a certain %age of copyright violations go unpurusued. It's a statistical model, just as it's a statistical model that a certain number of robberies are unsolved and a certain number of people are killed by lightening. Is that unfair? It may seem so when you're being struck by lightening, but someone has to be struck by lightening. Likewise, given enough copyright violations, someone is going to be called out. Today the blow falls on Elise.
- scotty79 14y agoYour analogy to reposting is a robbery? Really? Mine is, telling your friends a joke without bothering to establish who originally invented it.
- robertpateii 14y agoI'd say the truth is somewhere in between. Closer to a comedian using another comedian's joke.
- scotty79 14y agoIs that because even though the show is free performer gets 2% of the popcorn viewers choose to buy? Original authors of the jokes either don't earn any money with them or do it similar way that the "joke thief" does. Only they are not that popular as he is. I think reposting is much less of an offence then one proffessional comediant using joke of another one without proper attribution.
- sesqu 14y ago"Stealing" jokes is very much frowned upon, but at least in performing arts, much relies on delivery. The same is not true for static arts, where poor attribution ranges from forgery to plagiarism.
- cf 14y agoIt's not like many of the original artists want a payout. They just want attribution.
- illuminate 14y agoThese things usually have passed around the internet several times before it gets to the meme aggregators, I wish there was a better solution than watermarking. Tineye/GIS would theoretically work, but it'd find every instance where the meme was passed around, not its origin! Do you have a suggesting for finding each "owner"? Such requirements would shut down all these sites (not that we'd have a huge loss by doing so, but I'd like to think that a social/technological solution would be possible.)
- scotty79 14y agoThe problem is that because you can be rightfully extorted by original author you have little incentive to keep and acknowledge attribution. It's better to pretend that given image came from the cloud. That's how copyright enforcers again make it worse for all creative people.
- potatolicious 14y agoOn top of what raganwald said, the difference between IFLS and Reddit is that this is a curated stream done by one person, rather than an aggregation of user-generated content. Reddit is morally different, since arguably you cannot hold them directly responsible for content generated by their users, they are strictly a conduit. Similarly, we don't blame Facebook when their users post pirated content, we rightly blame the individual who pirated it in the first place. You're right though, this isn't different than a curated stream of pirated content (e.g., many other Facebook groups), but as raganwald said, the fact that we can't catch them all doesn't mean it's wrong to catch one.
- scotty79 14y agoIf you want to do something good on the internet you have to do this as Satoshi Nakamoto or John Smith because no good deed goes unpunished.