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PHP on Google App Engine (using Quercus)

31 points by arthurk 18y ago

otto 18y ago
http://github.com/moriyoshi/quercus-gae/tree/master http://github.com/moriyoshi/quercus-gae/tree/master Seems to be the patched code. There is also a HOWTO document.
- jmtame 18y ago
  So this is basically one very big hack? "Content cache and session management don't work." That's a pretty big drawback for me. Are there any performance issues?
mechanical_fish 18y ago
Is there a rationale for doing this, other than "because it's there"? AFAIK the problem with running existing PHP apps on App Engine isn't the PHP part. It's the rest of their architecture. I've only ever seen two kinds of PHP apps: The ones that are tightly coupled to the LAMP stack or a very close equivalent, and the ones that should have been written in some other language. But maybe someone else can enlighten me.
- callahad 18y ago
  I'm not sure about GAE, but as to Quercus in general: You get to write in Not Java while your employer gets to deploy on the JVM. This is huge. Take Jython for example: Put jython.jar in WEB-INF/lib/, add a small stanza to WEB-INF/web.xml, write a WSGI-compliant app in Python. When you're done, you can zip it up and deploy it on Tomcat. None of the existing infrastructure needs to change, and you get to write in a more expressive language. That's how we'll sneak better things into enterprise.
  - mechanical_fish 18y ago
    Okay, that's a good answer: I was focused on the App Engine part, whereas the real exciting news is the Quercus part!
dxjones 18y ago
Hmmm, I just looked on my Google App Engine account, and I can't see how to use / enable PHP. I see the link to quercus, ... can someone add some details to how to use it?
- deleted 18y ago
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csomar 18y ago
Wow this would be great, I have more than 7 months wondering when they'll enable it as more than 1,000 comments were posted on this issue.
- RossM 18y ago
  To be fair, a good proportion of those comments were complaining about "+1" comments left on the issue. To an extent where there were more complaints than +1's.
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pj 18y ago
People talk about Vendor Lockin with Microsoft, but there are lots of links to AppEngine tools and services, so I'm wondering what is the difference? Why is Vendor Lock-in okay with Google's proprietary platform, but not with Microsoft's?
- olegp 18y ago
  Perhaps because they rely on a lot of open source components and open up some of their technologies whereas Microsoft has been slow at coming around to the OS way of thinking. If you're worried about lock-in with App Engine, check this out: http://code.google.com/p/appscale/ http://code.google.com/p/appscale/ As you can see, Google is one of the supporters of this project, although it's not clear exactly what they have contributed.
- seldo 18y ago
  Deploying onto the JVM is hardly vendor lock-in; there are no shortage of Java servers around, from a variety of vendors. Obviously the specifics of deploying to App Engine are going to be vendor-specific, but the core of your code should be pretty portable.
nir 18y ago
Anyone here has experience with Quercus? How compatible is it with PHP? Do apps like Wordpress or Drupal run out of the box? Any noticeable performance difference?
- seldo 18y ago
  http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/quercus/#PHP-Users http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/quercus/#PHP-Users Quercus claims to be able to run "MediaWiki, Drupal, Wordpress, Gallery2 and DocuWiki" on their site, and equivalent performance to a PHP deployment with APC. Which is pretty impressive, if true.
  - nir 18y ago
    Thanks!
Srkn 18y ago
PHP modules implemented in Java for Quercus: http://tusul.net/I2KmMk http://tusul.net/I2KmMk Caucho says that the real gain is taking advantage of built-in advanced features of Resin App Server like load balancing. Without porting MySql, PHP on GAE means little.
themanual 18y ago
Hi All, See details on how to Run PHP on Google App Engine using Quercus http://www.webdigi.co.uk/blog/2009/run-php-on-the-google-app-engine/ http://www.webdigi.co.uk/blog/2009/run-php-on-the-google-app... Just download the file in the link and you can run PHP on app engine in minutes. Also see http://phpwithjava.appspot.com/webdigi.php http://phpwithjava.appspot.com/webdigi.php Regards
Herbert256 17y ago
Hi, please see the URL below for an proof of concept how to use SQL CRUD (Create, Retrieve, Update, Delete) in PHP at Google App Engine. http://sql-to-jdo-for-php-at-gae.appspot.com http://sql-to-jdo-for-php-at-gae.appspot.com

31 points by arthurk 18y ago

otto 18y ago

http://github.com/moriyoshi/quercus-gae/tree/master http://github.com/moriyoshi/quercus-gae/tree/master Seems to be the patched code. There is also a HOWTO document.

jmtame 18y ago
So this is basically one very big hack? "Content cache and session management don't work." That's a pretty big drawback for me. Are there any performance issues?

mechanical_fish 18y ago

Is there a rationale for doing this, other than "because it's there"? AFAIK the problem with running existing PHP apps on App Engine isn't the PHP part. It's the rest of their architecture. I've only ever seen two kinds of PHP apps: The ones that are tightly coupled to the LAMP stack or a very close equivalent, and the ones that should have been written in some other language. But maybe someone else can enlighten me.

callahad 18y ago
I'm not sure about GAE, but as to Quercus in general: You get to write in Not Java while your employer gets to deploy on the JVM. This is huge. Take Jython for example: Put jython.jar in WEB-INF/lib/, add a small stanza to WEB-INF/web.xml, write a WSGI-compliant app in Python. When you're done, you can zip it up and deploy it on Tomcat. None of the existing infrastructure needs to change, and you get to write in a more expressive language. That's how we'll sneak better things into enterprise.
- mechanical_fish 18y ago
  Okay, that's a good answer: I was focused on the App Engine part, whereas the real exciting news is the Quercus part!

dxjones 18y ago

Hmmm, I just looked on my Google App Engine account, and I can't see how to use / enable PHP. I see the link to quercus, ... can someone add some details to how to use it?

deleted 18y ago
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csomar 18y ago

Wow this would be great, I have more than 7 months wondering when they'll enable it as more than 1,000 comments were posted on this issue.

RossM 18y ago
To be fair, a good proportion of those comments were complaining about "+1" comments left on the issue. To an extent where there were more complaints than +1's.

deleted 18y ago

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pj 18y ago

People talk about Vendor Lockin with Microsoft, but there are lots of links to AppEngine tools and services, so I'm wondering what is the difference? Why is Vendor Lock-in okay with Google's proprietary platform, but not with Microsoft's?

olegp 18y ago
Perhaps because they rely on a lot of open source components and open up some of their technologies whereas Microsoft has been slow at coming around to the OS way of thinking. If you're worried about lock-in with App Engine, check this out: http://code.google.com/p/appscale/ http://code.google.com/p/appscale/ As you can see, Google is one of the supporters of this project, although it's not clear exactly what they have contributed.
seldo 18y ago
Deploying onto the JVM is hardly vendor lock-in; there are no shortage of Java servers around, from a variety of vendors. Obviously the specifics of deploying to App Engine are going to be vendor-specific, but the core of your code should be pretty portable.

nir 18y ago

Anyone here has experience with Quercus? How compatible is it with PHP? Do apps like Wordpress or Drupal run out of the box? Any noticeable performance difference?

seldo 18y ago
http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/quercus/#PHP-Users http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/quercus/#PHP-Users Quercus claims to be able to run "MediaWiki, Drupal, Wordpress, Gallery2 and DocuWiki" on their site, and equivalent performance to a PHP deployment with APC. Which is pretty impressive, if true.
- nir 18y ago
  Thanks!

Srkn 18y ago

PHP modules implemented in Java for Quercus: http://tusul.net/I2KmMk http://tusul.net/I2KmMk Caucho says that the real gain is taking advantage of built-in advanced features of Resin App Server like load balancing. Without porting MySql, PHP on GAE means little.

themanual 18y ago

Hi All, See details on how to Run PHP on Google App Engine using Quercus http://www.webdigi.co.uk/blog/2009/run-php-on-the-google-app-engine/ http://www.webdigi.co.uk/blog/2009/run-php-on-the-google-app... Just download the file in the link and you can run PHP on app engine in minutes. Also see http://phpwithjava.appspot.com/webdigi.php http://phpwithjava.appspot.com/webdigi.php Regards

Herbert256 17y ago

Hi, please see the URL below for an proof of concept how to use SQL CRUD (Create, Retrieve, Update, Delete) in PHP at Google App Engine. http://sql-to-jdo-for-php-at-gae.appspot.com http://sql-to-jdo-for-php-at-gae.appspot.com