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What do you mean by "they really need a killer new product"? They're the most profitable company in the world. What pressure are they under?

by r00k 13y ago

dopamean 13y ago
> They're the most profitable company in the world. What pressure are they under? The pressure is probably focused on remaining the most profitable company in the world.
yid 13y ago
I think he's predicting a Microsoft-like fate, where the indisputable de-facto of a market segment eventually stagnates and then is disrupted.
Androsynth 13y ago
their profit is irrelevant. public companies are always under pressure to increase growth.
xpose2000 13y ago
Immense pressure. I can think of no other company that has the amount of pressure of Apple to follow up their iPhone/iTouch/iPad cash cow.
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  I’d say that Motorola, HTC, Nokia, and Blackberry are under quite a lot of pressure to remain relevant. That means that new products need to be popular — otherwise, the companies will have to pivot, or face being bought for its (IP) parts.
MichaelApproved 13y ago
Pressure 1) Their stock price has gone from a high of just over 700 to a recent low of just under 400. Stock is a form of compensation to employees. They don't need explosive growth but they must stop the bleeding to get their employees better compensation. Pressure 2) They're seeing increased competition and they will not remain an dominant player if they don't continue to innovate.
recoiledsnake 13y ago
The issue is that they don't have a big moat like Google, Facebook and Amazon do. Competitors are nipping at their heels(the big decline in margin from a year ago shows it) and one bad iteration of their products is enough to turn the tide against them.
- taylodl 13y ago
  Big moat? Apple has more money than any other company. Facebook is losing users in droves and every day there's a new article on HN on how to get Google out of your life. Of the companies you mentioned Amazon is the only one with bright prospects.
- aNoob7000 13y ago
  I would not use Facebook and Amazon when comparing margins and profit. Both of these two companies aren't even in the same universe right now with Apple. Google is the only company that can play with Apple and Microsoft. Last time I checked, Amazon posted in Q4 of 2012 around $90M (Million) in net income while Facebook did about $60M in Q1 of 2013 compared to Apple's $9.5B (Billion!!) in net income. What drive me absolutely crazy is the fact that it would take Amazon/Facebook well over a decade to even come close to what Apple makes in three months.
- twidlit 13y ago
  Moat? Itunes, OSX, Objective-C, App store, iCloud, even the brand. These are all moats of varying strengths.

What do you mean by "they really need a killer new product"? They're the most profitable company in the world. What pressure are they under?

by r00k 13y ago

What do you mean by "they really need a killer new product"? They're the most profitable company in the world. What pressure are they under?

dopamean 13y ago

> They're the most profitable company in the world. What pressure are they under? The pressure is probably focused on remaining the most profitable company in the world.

yid 13y ago

I think he's predicting a Microsoft-like fate, where the indisputable de-facto of a market segment eventually stagnates and then is disrupted.

Androsynth 13y ago

their profit is irrelevant. public companies are always under pressure to increase growth.

xpose2000 13y ago

Immense pressure. I can think of no other company that has the amount of pressure of Apple to follow up their iPhone/iTouch/iPad cash cow.

Samuel_Michon 13y ago
I’d say that Motorola, HTC, Nokia, and Blackberry are under quite a lot of pressure to remain relevant. That means that new products need to be popular — otherwise, the companies will have to pivot, or face being bought for its (IP) parts.

MichaelApproved 13y ago

Pressure 1) Their stock price has gone from a high of just over 700 to a recent low of just under 400. Stock is a form of compensation to employees. They don't need explosive growth but they must stop the bleeding to get their employees better compensation. Pressure 2) They're seeing increased competition and they will not remain an dominant player if they don't continue to innovate.

recoiledsnake 13y ago

The issue is that they don't have a big moat like Google, Facebook and Amazon do. Competitors are nipping at their heels(the big decline in margin from a year ago shows it) and one bad iteration of their products is enough to turn the tide against them.

taylodl 13y ago
Big moat? Apple has more money than any other company. Facebook is losing users in droves and every day there's a new article on HN on how to get Google out of your life. Of the companies you mentioned Amazon is the only one with bright prospects.
aNoob7000 13y ago
I would not use Facebook and Amazon when comparing margins and profit. Both of these two companies aren't even in the same universe right now with Apple. Google is the only company that can play with Apple and Microsoft. Last time I checked, Amazon posted in Q4 of 2012 around $90M (Million) in net income while Facebook did about $60M in Q1 of 2013 compared to Apple's $9.5B (Billion!!) in net income. What drive me absolutely crazy is the fact that it would take Amazon/Facebook well over a decade to even come close to what Apple makes in three months.
twidlit 13y ago
Moat? Itunes, OSX, Objective-C, App store, iCloud, even the brand. These are all moats of varying strengths.