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Its not cheating. Relentless resourcefulness is the phrase.

jonknee 18y ago
Making shit up isn't resourcefulness, it's lying and in this case cheating.
yan 18y ago
I can probably rob an old lady of her purse and get away without getting caught. This isn't exactly being 'relentlessly resourceful.' Not all methods are equally ethical.
JabavuAdams 18y ago
Bull! I'll phrase this in pragmatic terms, since you seem uninterested in ethics. If you're pushing the boundaries of ethics, you have to realize that what is considered acceptable in one (sub) culture may be grossly unacceptable in another. What is considered "business as usual" in one culture or industry will be seen as corruption in another culture or industry. Now, there are a lot of inconsistencies and hypocrisies in our cultures. So, if you look around, you're bound to find strange inconsistencies. That's normal. In short, for any culture, there are some forms of cheating that will be mostly tolerated or even glamorized, and others that will be seen as despicable. What you've described is despicable, from a mainstream US / Canadian / Anglo perspective. It does not appear resourceful, at all.
- abrown28 18y ago
  Every company I've worked for has lied either outright or by stretching the truth further than I'm comfortable with. It isn't right but that is the real ethics he will be dealing with in the US/Canadian/Anglo arena.
  - JabavuAdams 18y ago
    My point is that what is an acceptable "stretching of the truth" is culturally relative. Also, I'm not speaking to what companies try to get away with, but rather the public reaction if they get caught. I.e. is it "cool, those guys are smart and they're bucking the system" or is it "these guys are slimy and I never want to do business with them." Again, I'm not condoning unethical behavior, nor am I so naive to believe that it isn't widespread. I'm just stating that what is a "nudge-nudge-wink-wink-everyone-does-it" infraction versus what is a "omg, you lying bastards" is culturally relative. The OP's example falls into the "lying bastards" category for me, and for most of the companies I've worked for.

Making shit up isn't resourcefulness, it's lying and in this case cheating.

yan 18y ago

I can probably rob an old lady of her purse and get away without getting caught. This isn't exactly being 'relentlessly resourceful.' Not all methods are equally ethical.

JabavuAdams 18y ago

Bull! I'll phrase this in pragmatic terms, since you seem uninterested in ethics. If you're pushing the boundaries of ethics, you have to realize that what is considered acceptable in one (sub) culture may be grossly unacceptable in another. What is considered "business as usual" in one culture or industry will be seen as corruption in another culture or industry. Now, there are a lot of inconsistencies and hypocrisies in our cultures. So, if you look around, you're bound to find strange inconsistencies. That's normal. In short, for any culture, there are some forms of cheating that will be mostly tolerated or even glamorized, and others that will be seen as despicable. What you've described is despicable, from a mainstream US / Canadian / Anglo perspective. It does not appear resourceful, at all.

abrown28 18y ago
Every company I've worked for has lied either outright or by stretching the truth further than I'm comfortable with. It isn't right but that is the real ethics he will be dealing with in the US/Canadian/Anglo arena.
- JabavuAdams 18y ago
  My point is that what is an acceptable "stretching of the truth" is culturally relative. Also, I'm not speaking to what companies try to get away with, but rather the public reaction if they get caught. I.e. is it "cool, those guys are smart and they're bucking the system" or is it "these guys are slimy and I never want to do business with them." Again, I'm not condoning unethical behavior, nor am I so naive to believe that it isn't widespread. I'm just stating that what is a "nudge-nudge-wink-wink-everyone-does-it" infraction versus what is a "omg, you lying bastards" is culturally relative. The OP's example falls into the "lying bastards" category for me, and for most of the companies I've worked for.