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"We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms." How these people's heads don't explode is just beyond me. He has to be aware of what he's saying

by Vivtek 14y ago

"We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms." How these people's heads don't explode is just beyond me. He has to be aware of what he's saying. Right?

masklinn 14y ago
> He has to be aware of what he's saying. Right? Probably.
- scarmig 14y ago
  It's a strong rhetorical strategy. Pre-emptively accuse your opponents of being enemies of liberty. Then all they can say is... "well no you're the real enemy of liberty!" Which is much weaker than the original argument, facts be damned.
baddox 14y ago
> “The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry,” Mr. Bloomberg said during a press conference in Midtown. “But we live in a complex word where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.” Poe's law for politics.
AUmrysh 14y ago
I can't conceive of a way that 'reinterpreting' the constitution is going to give us more freedom. If he and his police force can't do their job of protecting the public, maybe they need to rethink their tactics instead of trying to force us to give up our rights to make their job easier. Is it even about making their jobs easier, though?
tkahn6 14y ago
Just because this sentiment has become a self-parody in many circles, it does not mean that Bloomberg doesn't earnestly believe it. And it doesn't mean that it is invalid. The ideological basis for a lot of Islamist terrorism is Qutbism which is quite regressive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism#Qutbism_and_non-Muslims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism#Qutbism_and_non-Muslims
- mikeash 14y ago
  It's not that it's ridiculous to believe, but that he's proposing to do it for them.
  - tkahn6 14y ago
    I doubt he is proposing to prevent people from studying the origins of the universe or prevent women from wearing bikinis.
    - mikeash 14y ago
      Who said he is?
sageikosa 14y ago
He's referring to freedoms to choose Verizon, Sprint or AT&T; to go with iPhone, Android, or even Windows Phone (for those odd fanatics); to pick a foreign or domestic hybrid vehicle; to choose Democans or Republicrats; and maybe the freedom to move to a new school district to get a better education (until the Department of Education takes them all over anyway).

by Vivtek 14y ago

"We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms." How these people's heads don't explode is just beyond me. He has to be aware of what he's saying. Right?

masklinn 14y ago

> He has to be aware of what he's saying. Right? Probably.

scarmig 14y ago
It's a strong rhetorical strategy. Pre-emptively accuse your opponents of being enemies of liberty. Then all they can say is... "well no you're the real enemy of liberty!" Which is much weaker than the original argument, facts be damned.

baddox 14y ago

> “The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry,” Mr. Bloomberg said during a press conference in Midtown. “But we live in a complex word where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.” Poe's law for politics.

AUmrysh 14y ago

I can't conceive of a way that 'reinterpreting' the constitution is going to give us more freedom. If he and his police force can't do their job of protecting the public, maybe they need to rethink their tactics instead of trying to force us to give up our rights to make their job easier. Is it even about making their jobs easier, though?

tkahn6 14y ago

Just because this sentiment has become a self-parody in many circles, it does not mean that Bloomberg doesn't earnestly believe it. And it doesn't mean that it is invalid. The ideological basis for a lot of Islamist terrorism is Qutbism which is quite regressive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism#Qutbism_and_non-Muslims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism#Qutbism_and_non-Muslims

mikeash 14y ago
It's not that it's ridiculous to believe, but that he's proposing to do it for them.
- tkahn6 14y ago
  I doubt he is proposing to prevent people from studying the origins of the universe or prevent women from wearing bikinis.
  - mikeash 14y ago
    Who said he is?

sageikosa 14y ago

He's referring to freedoms to choose Verizon, Sprint or AT&T; to go with iPhone, Android, or even Windows Phone (for those odd fanatics); to pick a foreign or domestic hybrid vehicle; to choose Democans or Republicrats; and maybe the freedom to move to a new school district to get a better education (until the Department of Education takes them all over anyway).