What do you mean less crufty? I think this is just your perceived vision of Debian. We use Ubuntu 8.04 LTS because it is committed to be supported for a very l

What do you mean less crufty? I think this is just your perceived vision of Debian. We use Ubuntu 8.04 LTS because it is committed to be supported for a very long time. Traditionally Debian releases have been supported with security updates and the like for one year after the subsequent release. There's no guarantee or date for Debian. Ubuntu 8.04 Server Edition on the other hand is supported through 2013... and that very well might turn out to be longer than Debian 5.0.