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If you're a coder (CS major), do not go to college just to earn more money. You need to have better reasons than that. Why? There is no doubt in my mind that i
by argonaut 14y ago
If you're a coder (CS major), do not go to college just to earn more money. You need to have better reasons than that.
Why? There is no doubt in my mind that if you're the type of student who can get into MIT/Stanford/CMU/Berkeley/etc (at least Berkeley Engineering), you will earn more by not going to college (at least in tech hubs like SV and NY). Assuming you have a marketable skill (iPhone, Android, front-end, Django, Rails, etc), entry level (including internships) starts at $80k. If you don't have such a skill, you can teach yourself over a summer. In four years, you could be making $110k+ (very conservative). A CS grad straight out of a top college will probably make $93k (EDIT: revised to $95k, which is average for a Stanford/CMU/Cal CS grad) [1], depending on the market climate.
You factor in the anywhere between $0-250k tuition you're spending on college (financial aid depending), and the ~$380k you'd earn in 4 years, and, at least on the financial side, you come out way ahead if you don't go to college, anywhere between $380k to $630k ahead, just from those 4 years alone†.
In fact, this probably applies to most colleges, not just top-tier ones, but in which case the salary numbers are more variable.
You also won't be behind in terms of knowledge as long as you're proactive - the resources for self-teaching theoretical CS have never been more numerous than they are today.
Now, that being said, the reasons I'm attending college instead of dropping out (I did take a year off to work at a YC startup): I value the unique social experience of college, my parents are paying for everything (huge mitigating factor - if I had to pay for everything I would not be going), and I see the value in pushing myself out of my social, academic, and extracurricular comfort zones - hanging out with business students, doing debate, taking classes in literature, etc.
[1] https://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/cdc/jobs/salary-grads https://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/cdc/jobs/salary-grads, http://www.cmu.edu/career/salaries-and-destinations/2012-survey/pdfs-one-pagers/2012_SCS.pdf http://www.cmu.edu/career/salaries-and-destinations/2012-sur..., https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/CompSci.stm https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/CompSci.stm
†Tax not included (subtract ~22%). The effect of having a higher salary due to work experience not included. Number varies depending on your housing costs. Number varies depending on student loan interest. Number varies depending on yearly tuition increases. The $250k figure for college tuition usually includes housing, your employment take-home money will depend on where you want to live in Silicon Valley (SF = big hit; East Bay = fairly affordable).
- Paul_D_Santana 14y agoI agree. The social experience should be at the top of the list of reasons to go to college. And while I am incredibly enthusiastic to see how online learning helps to curb the ever-growing debt crisis of the "traditional" university education, I do wonder how will this affect the social aspect of the college years? (Meaning the maturing, the friendships, and the non-classroom learning.)
- Darmani 14y agoYour argument is quite sensitive to the numbers, and your estimates of the numbers are questionable. Maybe someone from CMU CS is starting with $90k, but everyone I've talked to has offers significantly higher. Two of my closest friends have starting offers over $150k. Instead of spending their time sharpening how quickly they can map the shape of a button to the appropriate API call, they acquired deep knowledge of computing, and thus can do things in an hour most people couldn't in a month.
- argonaut 14y agoI've added numbers for average salary figures. I think that should be preferred to anecdotes. A rockstar in college who makes 150k (notwithstanding that the max salary for CMU SCS in 2012 was 135k) straight out of college is probably capable of making just as much if not more if had they dropped out of college. It remains that in the average case dropping out makes more financial sense.
- mfn 14y agoJust out of curiosity, and if you don't mind answering, are these offers $150k base? Or is that the value of the whole compensation package, including signing bonuses and stock options?
- Darmani 14y agoOne offer is $150k salary, plus stock (somehow, the company still has its own stock, despite having already been acquired for $300 million). This person is finishing a 5th-year Master's though. The other offer is $110k salary, plus $40k annually in stock. Since the company is Google, it's pretty fair to treat that as $150k.