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This story isn't about The Grove, it is about the tragedy of gentrification. Your statement, 'what culture?', taken out of context, describes the situation per

This story isn't about The Grove, it is about the tragedy of gentrification. Your statement, 'what culture?', taken out of context, describes the situation perfectly. Why are these newcomers with their hefty salaries moving to the Mission, instead of some suburb closer to their work? Because of the culture. The music, the art, the creative forces that make San Francisco the appealing place that it is. Guess who isn't making enough to afford even $1500/month rent? That same artist who made this neighborhood the place you want to be in. I am heavily involved with the art and music community in San Francisco and I don't see ANY large influx of young tech workers getting involved with or even supporting local artists. Sure, if some touring indie rock band plays The Fillmore it is filled with Facebook employees, but that's not the sort of grass root support that feeds a living artistic community. Your job making web sites and iOS apps does not make you an artist or even a remotely credible creative individual, no matter how much smoke your fellow tech friends are blowing up your ass.

tptacek 14y ago
This is a story about a restaurant that opened in 1999 in the Marina, isn't it? How much do you want to tell me about gentrification in the Marina in 1999? Thank you for setting me straight about my job making web pages and iOS applications.
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>but that's not the sort of grass root support that feeds a living artistic community. When you get some artists worthy of grassroots support, trust me, it'll come. Believe it or not, I came to SF 6 years ago to become a writer. It took me less than a year to realize that most of the writers in SF live in denial and are delusional. They believe the writing community here is as great as LA and NY and the only reason they can't get published is because of the evil, corporate publishing companies. This type of attitude is typical for all walks of life in SF, too, which is one of the reasons it will never regain the artistic prominence it had in the 60's. SF has yet to move past its counter-culture roots, despite the fact the rest of the country already has. That makes everything holding on to the old message feel dated and stale. Dated and stale do not make for good art. >This story isn't about The Grove, it is about the tragedy of gentrification. Gentrification isn't the real tragedy, here. It's complacency. Manhattan remains THE center of art and culture in America, despite several decades of heavy gentrification and a staggeringly high cost of living that SF has only recently been able to match. What's your excuse, again? They're closing your favorite late night hangout? Find another.
- rdouble 14y ago
  Los Angeles is actually the center of art in America.
jimmystix995 14y ago
Maybe if your art was good someone, anyone, would give a shit about it.
- williamcotton 14y ago
  Well, judge for yourself: http://open.spotify.com/artist/6BPUgRHwjjtpLZnVsgPnp4 http://open.spotify.com/artist/6BPUgRHwjjtpLZnVsgPnp4

tptacek 14y ago

This is a story about a restaurant that opened in 1999 in the Marina, isn't it? How much do you want to tell me about gentrification in the Marina in 1999? Thank you for setting me straight about my job making web pages and iOS applications.

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>but that's not the sort of grass root support that feeds a living artistic community. When you get some artists worthy of grassroots support, trust me, it'll come. Believe it or not, I came to SF 6 years ago to become a writer. It took me less than a year to realize that most of the writers in SF live in denial and are delusional. They believe the writing community here is as great as LA and NY and the only reason they can't get published is because of the evil, corporate publishing companies. This type of attitude is typical for all walks of life in SF, too, which is one of the reasons it will never regain the artistic prominence it had in the 60's. SF has yet to move past its counter-culture roots, despite the fact the rest of the country already has. That makes everything holding on to the old message feel dated and stale. Dated and stale do not make for good art. >This story isn't about The Grove, it is about the tragedy of gentrification. Gentrification isn't the real tragedy, here. It's complacency. Manhattan remains THE center of art and culture in America, despite several decades of heavy gentrification and a staggeringly high cost of living that SF has only recently been able to match. What's your excuse, again? They're closing your favorite late night hangout? Find another.

rdouble 14y ago
Los Angeles is actually the center of art in America.

jimmystix995 14y ago

Maybe if your art was good someone, anyone, would give a shit about it.

williamcotton 14y ago
Well, judge for yourself: http://open.spotify.com/artist/6BPUgRHwjjtpLZnVsgPnp4 http://open.spotify.com/artist/6BPUgRHwjjtpLZnVsgPnp4