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That is a terrible analogy. Comparing an abortion to killing a live animal is bullshit. Compare human abortion with the termination of animal pregnancies if yo

That is a terrible analogy. Comparing an abortion to killing a live animal is bullshit. Compare human abortion with the termination of animal pregnancies if you will but not a full formed live animal and a fetus. Aditionally we could say the reverse, an old animal is worth more than an old human, because if an old animal is dying we will euthanise it to save it pain and misery, you canot legally euthanise an adult who is living in pain and misery. So by your own terms at some point an old dog becomes more important than an old human.

humanrebar 14y ago
"Aditionally we could say the reverse, an old animal is worth more than an old human, because if an old animal is dying we will euthanise it to save it pain and misery, you canot legally euthanise an adult who is living in pain and misery." That's a good point... one that I've considered. But it's a little off topic considering it has its own moral swamps to get caught in. I'll just say euthanasia is a related but different thing that should be discussed separately. "That is a terrible analogy... Comparing an abortion to killing a live animal is bullshit." I disagree and I'd appreciate a good reason for that opinion. In fact, I disagree that it's even an analogy. In my defense of my ahem point (when to define killing living things as legal), it is empirically true that even an embryo is a human life. 1) If an amoeba is alive, certainly an embryo is. 2) What species would a human embryo be other than human? Now, in the West, we can kill some categories of animals with legal and social impunity: pests, livestock, terminally ill pets, etc. Killing other types of animals is clearly socially unacceptable and is often illegal as well: healthy kittens, harmless creatures, endangered animals, etc. Right now, abortions fall almost entirely in the justified killing category legally and slightly less so socially. I think they are not as justified as the current laws and attitudes reflect, especially considering how arbitrary "exiting the birth canal" is with regard to the development of human life.

humanrebar 14y ago

"Aditionally we could say the reverse, an old animal is worth more than an old human, because if an old animal is dying we will euthanise it to save it pain and misery, you canot legally euthanise an adult who is living in pain and misery." That's a good point... one that I've considered. But it's a little off topic considering it has its own moral swamps to get caught in. I'll just say euthanasia is a related but different thing that should be discussed separately. "That is a terrible analogy... Comparing an abortion to killing a live animal is bullshit." I disagree and I'd appreciate a good reason for that opinion. In fact, I disagree that it's even an analogy. In my defense of my ahem point (when to define killing living things as legal), it is empirically true that even an embryo is a human life. 1) If an amoeba is alive, certainly an embryo is. 2) What species would a human embryo be other than human? Now, in the West, we can kill some categories of animals with legal and social impunity: pests, livestock, terminally ill pets, etc. Killing other types of animals is clearly socially unacceptable and is often illegal as well: healthy kittens, harmless creatures, endangered animals, etc. Right now, abortions fall almost entirely in the justified killing category legally and slightly less so socially. I think they are not as justified as the current laws and attitudes reflect, especially considering how arbitrary "exiting the birth canal" is with regard to the development of human life.